Ellis Dudley born abt 1783 and Mary Blakeney born abt 1786, Skibbereen

[kit54]

Hi,
Please, please could anyone help me to locate the baptisms of Ellis Dudley born abt 1783 to 1784 and Mary Blakeney born abt 1786 to 1791, both in Skibbereen?  I know that they were married in 1809 in the Diocese of Cork and Ross and that they emigrated to Liverpool between abt 1832 and 1841.

I know that they had:
Annis born abt 1820
William born abt 1823
Mary born abt 1827(Timoleague)
George born abt 1830
Walter born abt 1832 (Timoleague)

I do not know where Annis, William and George were baptised, and surely they must have had other children born between 1809 and 1820 too?  I do not know if they were RC or CofI.
I've tried to find them on the www.irishgenealogy.ie site, but without success.

I would be extremely grateful for any help or advice,

Many thanks,

Chris

[shanew147]

RC records for the parish of Timoleague only go back to 1842, so you may be out of luck in your search for the baptisms of Mary & Walter, if they were RC

RC Baptism records for Skibbereen go back to 1814, marriages to 1837.

Church of Ireland records are not included for West Co. Cork on IrishGenealogy.


Shane

[kit54]

Hi Shane

First of all many thanks you for your reply.

I know Ellis and Mary were born in Skibbereen abt 1783 and 1786 (from Census records). Are you saying that:

1. They would have been baptised elsewhere (I know the church in Skibbereen was only built in the
    1820s) and if so, can you guess where?
or

2. They were probably not baptised at all

or

3. They were baptised, somewhere, but no written document was kept?

Going back to the 1780s to 1837, how/where did people from Skibbereen get married and have their children baptised? I got their 1809 marriage from Ancestry's Irish Extraction Records - where did these come from?

I'd be very grateful if you would get in touch again, 'cos I'm really stuck!

Many thanks

Chris

[shanew147]

option 3 is the most likely - that they were baptised in Skibbereen but written records were either not kept in that parish at that time, or have not survived.


Shane

[shanew147]

....
I got their 1809 marriage from Ancestry's Irish Extraction Records - where did these come from?
....

The data in that system seems to have been gathered from many sources, but that particular marriage seems to be some sort of book  published in Birmingham, Alabama .. so possibly not a primary source. You can view the citation for the record on the Ancestry website.



Shane

[shanew147]

you didn't mention the family religion... were your Dudley and Blakeney ancestors RC, Church of Ireland, or some other denomination ?

(parishes and districts, availability and dates covered etc is different for each..)



S.

[kit54]

Hi Shane, again!

I do not know their religion. In Liverpool, Ellis and Mary's sons married C of E brides and their children were brought up protestant. But one daughter (and probably another too) married an RC husband and their children were baptised catholic!

Do you think that Ellis and Mary's baptisms will turn up when the Cork Ancestral Project has been finished? Do you know when that is likely to be?

I would dearly love to know who  Ellis and Mary's parents were. Have you any suggestions at all?

Thanks again

Chris

[shanew147]

Any details on the sources for the RC parish of Skibereen that I can locate (*) all give the same details - i.e. earliest available records are Baptism records are from 1814, marriages from  1837.

*  National Library RC parish details, Irish Times RC record sources, Ryan's Irish Records etc

Few rural RC parishes have records before about 1830.

Sometimes you can try searching adjoining parishes for details in case the families lived near the boundary of the parish, but in this instance none of the neighbouring parishes have any earlier records.  You can see a map of the West Cork parishes on the Irish Times website - see : RC Parishes West Co.Cork  (click on the parishes on the map to see details of dates available)

Unfortunately it seems that most Church of Ireland records for the parish of Creagh, which contains Skibbereen, have been lost - probably during the civil war.


Shane

[celtic liberty]

Hi again Chris,

First of all the O'Kief Coshe Mang volumes ( 16 in total) are
brilliant but only if you know the parish where your ancestors
came from.   The index lists the areas/parishes covered and
some other interesting information.  There is not a surname
index so literally you would have to trawl through any parish
that you suspect your ancestors came from.   The print is
tiny and even just to go through one parish it could take five
or six hours depending on the size of the parish obviously.

I am inclined to think your Blakeneys and Dudleys are Church of
Ireland but I could be wrong.

I had a look at the newspaper announcements from 1700's to
1828 in Rosemary Ffoliott's and found a few of each surname.

BLAKENEY
The Constitution 19 Oct 1826 on Tuesday morning at the Cathedral
by the Rev. R.Lee and afterwards by the Right Rev. Dr Murphy,
Charles William Blakeney Esq. eldest son of the Rev. T Blakeney
of Holywell in the Co of Roscommon to Ellen Frances only
dau of the late John Jefferies Esq., of Coolcannon in this County
( meaning Cork)

TC   25 July 1827 on Friday evening the lady of Charles William Blakeney Esq. of a dau.

CMC  12 Sept 1806 Sunday morning at Skibbereen John Blakeny
aged 114

CA  1 Aug 1801 at Bath, The Rev Thomas Blakeney of the co of
Roscommon to Miss Alicia Newcombe 2nd dau of the late Primate
of all Ireland.

I will do the Dudleys in a new message

Mary
Celtic Liberty