Date these please

[Braindead]

Can anyone give me a date for these photos please. 1920s-1930s has been suggested.

[chinakay]

Undateable by the clothing I'm afraid...could we see the whole thing please, and in colour?

Cheers,
China

[That_Daft_Laddie]

May I suggest that "Hawton" in more likely to be "Horton Quarry"?

Google throws back no result for a Hawton quarry but Horton, (in Ribblesdale, North Yorkshire), certainly sits on a rail line which was completed in the 1870's.

"Near the churchyard and New Inn are later cottages, whilst Victorian terraces reflect the coming of the railway in the 1870s. More recent are quarrymen's housing, built when the limestone quarries first scarred the slopes of Moughton, west of the railway, in about 1890"

Source:> http://www.skiptonweb.co.uk/tourist/nearby_villages/horton.htm

Would that location tie in with your expectations?


Gordon

[Braindead]

May I suggest that "Hawton" in more likely to be "Horton Quarry"?

 Thanks for the comment, but it is undoubtedly Hawton - which is a tiny settlement to the south of Newark.

As requested, I have re-scanned the photos. The originals are both about 8"x6", and printed on glossy photo paper (it is glossy to the point where it was difficult to get a good scan because of reflections) , with nothing on the back except the number 6 written in pencil on the pic. of the men in the shed and "Quarrymen with steam locomotive at Hawton Quarry" and the numer 3 on the reverse of the other. I have two copies of the picture of the men and the loco, the second of which is more over exposed. I'll scan that & attach it too.

[nickgc]

I'm going to hazard a guess that the first photo (mustachioed men) is earlier, and probably pre WWI; that is when these bushy 'staches were popular.  The second is more likely post-war since all (or most) of the gents are clean-shaven.

Nick

[Braindead]

Here's the other copy of the picture of the men and loco.

[jancis]

Do you think the name on the loco could be Cafferata & Co?
There is a dormant company of that name formed in 1922.

https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/cafferata-co%2climited


Jill

[macintosh]

Looking at the scale of men and loco and the loaded wagon I would say it is a Hunslet narrow guage quarry loco as used in the slate industry in Wales and the stone quarrying inustries.
Looking at the pic of the  men in the shed and the Billy cans on the hooks I would say mid 1920s for this one, Normally after both wars men in industry would use army surplus material to work, snap tins, mess tins, billy cans, gas mask haversacks as "bait bags" ,these billy cans don't appear to be the military type  but the enamel kind that were used on locos by the fireman and driver.
As China says the clothing is pretty much undateable and men dressed like this with the same waistcoat and billy cans and caps worked in the steel industries in the North East of England up to the late 50s.
Perhaps they are quarrying limestone for the iron and steel industries.

James  

[Braindead]

Thanks for the replies - what limited dating info there is does seem to tie in with what I'd been told of 1920s-1930s.

Do you think the name on the loco could be Cafferata & Co?
There is a dormant company of that name formed in 1922.

https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/cafferata-co%2climited


Jill

Yes, it is Cafferata & Co. William Cafferata (the pic in my profile) founded the company, but it was re-orgainsed as a limited company by his grandchildren in 1922 before being taken over by British Plasterboard in 1936.

Normally after both wars men in industry would use army surplus material to work, snap tins, mess tins, billy cans, gas mask haversacks as "bait bags" ,these billy cans don't appear to be the military type  but the enamel kind that were used on locos by the fireman and driver.


James  

This set me thinking - were there protected industries in World War 1 which people were prevented from leaving to join the army? During the war, dental & surgical plaster produced by Cafferata & co was used by the War Office& could the lack of military trappings be a reflection of this?

Thanks again for the responses.