Dalserf - Birnie Brown(e)

[Ange30]

You could try looking up his army records at the national archives or u could also try ancestry.

[Ange30]

here is some docs relating to birnie at the national archives
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=059-iorlmil_4-1_2&cid=1-1-1-1-11-24#1-1-1-1-11-24
plus this one
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=059-f4_12&cid=1-1-103-4#1-1-103-4
U could try contacting TNA to see if his records are online.

[Ange30]

Might be worth posting on this site to see if anyone could help u track him down or atleast find out when and where he would have been sent to india.
http://www.victorianwars.com/viewforum.php?f=80

[garyhb]

Thank you Ange30,


You have given me quite a bit of information about his son Birnie


Regards

Gary

[garyhb]

Hello I am still searching for information about Birnie Brown(e) born @1759-1765. I have been able to confirm though written text that he was a son of James Birnie who became James Hamilton Birnie though his marriage to Margaret Hamilton in Edinburgh City on September 9, 1753. Birnie later marries Catherine Grace Creswell which tells us that he was not abandoned by James.

Assumption is he is a natural son of James and a female Browne. Any ideas on where to search further would be helpful.

Regards,

Gary

[camhenham]

Good to see you finally joined the dots. I didn't know about the Brownes until today. Found the connection in his Will. Seems he was a first possibly illegitimate Son. Birnie Browne was not in the Will but his son James was. I am a descendant on James Birnie Hamilton of Broomhill. Not sure what more information you wanted but it all relates to the lairds of Dalserf.

[garyhb]

hi thanks for posting. I have been able to trace most of Elizabeth Hamilton's family but know little about her. James Birnie Hamilton married Margaret Hamilton in 1753, and i found a record for Elizabeth dying 21 Feb 1808 at age 21. given Margaret her mum was born about 1737 i am trying to reconcile the dates. would you have any additional info on her or her sibings James and Margaret?

[Malcolm33]

Very Interesting for I cannot help but wonder if Birnie could be connected to the Brown's or Broun's I have found in my Draffan ancestry.   If there is a connection then you must read all about the Snow Tumult in Glasgow in 1689.

George Draffan married a Jean Brown at Dalserf on 15th July, 1748.

However it is George Draffan's mother Bessie Brown that we need to look at here.    Bessie was born in 1699 the daughter of George Broun and Grissell Gall.   Now if these two married before 1689 then she could very well be the Grissell Brown who took part in the 17th February 1689 Tumult in Glasgow.

This is quite a long story, so better to direct you to this page which tells it all - https://drmarkjardine.wordpress.com/2016/05/09/the-great-snowball-tumult-at-glasgow-cathedral-in-1689-history-scotland/ 

   There is a list of all the women's names at the end and one as you will see was Grissell Brown.

    Malcolm

[Skoosh]

Interesting site Malcolm, thanks for that!

Skoosh.