Dalserf - Birnie Brown(e)

[garyhb]

Hi

Wondering if some can help me find Lieutenant Birnie Brown(e) born about 1759 in Dalserf. I have also posted this on Northumberland forum as he died in Morpeth in 1825. He was married to Catherine Grace Cresswell.

The family alternated between Dalserf or Edinburgh and Morpeth so I am uncertain about where exactly he and his family were born

Their kids were
Alicia Browne
Bridget Sophia Armenia Browne
Elizabeth Addison Browne 1791-1844
James Hamilton Browne St-Cuthbert's Edinburgh 10 Aug 1792 -
Willam Browne 1794
Birnie Browne 1796-1855
Walter John Browne Morpeth 1799-1881

I do not know who his parents were.

Any information would help

Regards

Gary

[sancti]

Gary where did the information come from with regard to the Dalserf connection?

[Ange30]

Hi i found this i hope it helps 
http://www.halhed.com/t4r/getperson.php?personID=I10628&tree=tree1

[Ange30]

seems to be an india connection,maybe he was stationed there? have u looked up his army records?

[Ange30]

Not sure if this is ur birnie but it seems to fit.
http://thepeerage.com/p3810.htm#i38094
Seems he was granted a peerage.

[garyhb]

Hi Santi,

Thank you for your help. Ange30 has pretty much provided what I am aware of about Birnie Brown(e). My family tree is the Hamilton-Browne Family on ancestry and I had found the halhed site as well which gave his birth as Dalserf about 1759. He is also listed on the familyorg site as being born 1765 but no place. There is also a few more family trees on ancestry that have his father listed as James Hamilton (which I think is really James Birnie of Broomhill, as they were known as Lord hamilton). Broomhill I believe is also in Dalserf.  His son James Hamilton Browne was christened at St-Cuthbert's, Edinburgh in 1792. I believe Birnie was also a wine merchant at one time in Leith.

Some Australian family members that I was recently able to find have provided some anecdotal info as well that the oldest son in each family took the middle name hamilton in recognition in the lands they lost in a court dispute with the Hamilton's and the Birnie.org site has a write up on the Birnie's becoming Lord Hamilton and then losing the lands back to the Hamilton's. They also said that they were wine merchants.     

I have confirmed up to Birnie in my tree and am now trying to understand where he came from. Ie. if his father was a Birnie or Hamilton then where did the Browne come from.

He married in to the Cresswell family and is also listed in A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great Britain and Ireland enjoying territorial possessions or high official rank since he married into the cresswell family in Northumberland but unfortunately it does not say where he came from.

I have been searching on and off for a quite a while now, but I am really at a loss of what else to do short of travelling to Scotland & Northumberland.  I would gladly send away for his official christening certificate but I don't know how to narrow down the scope of my search.

Regards

Gary

[garyhb]

Hi ANGE30,

Just wanted to say thank you for your help.

The Halhed site was one of my sources of info as well. The peerage reference is to his son also Birnie Brown(e).

you mentioned looking up his army records. No I have not but I can tell you he was a lietenant in the 21st regiment of the foot (Royal North British Fusiliers) which later became the Royal Scots Fusiliers.

Would you know how to look at army records?

Again I truly appreciate your efforts,

Gary

[garyhb]

Hi Sancti, Ange30

first sorry for the misspell of Sancti in the last post.

Second, Birnie Brown is also listed in the Edinburgh 1815 post office directory as being a wine merchant in Leith Edinburgh with an address of Leith Walk.

I sometimes forget what I have as I have being going through lots of old books, the internet etc to try to gleam a little more info.

Any info would be greatly appreciated

Gary

[garyhb]

Just found one more snippet on a Google book that is talking about his son James Hamilton Browne and references Birnie Brown

He was, I believe, the eldest son of Mr. Birnie Brown of Morpeth (a reputed son of one of the Dukes of Hamilton — born at Dalserf, Lanarkshire, and died at Morpeth, 10 July, 1825, aged sixty) by his marriage with Catherine Grace.

This is from the book Notes & Queries Oxford Journals 1907.


Sort of confirms Dalserf as well but @1765