Josiah and Samuel CHAPMAN

[Little_Nell57]

Hi KarenLee

I have found the arrival of Samuel and Josiah in NSW.  They arrived in January of 1855 aboard the 'Bangalore', but the record doesn't say whether they disembarked in Sydney or Newcastle (simply states Sydney/Newcastle).  I know that Josiah stayed in NSW, and his sons, Josiah and William, were both registered in Paterson, NSW.  Josiah snr married Catherine GALBRAITH and Josiah jnr married Elizabeth Ann SYMONDS, daughter of William SYMONDS and Jane Elizabeth MORTIMER.  What happened to Uncle William is another problem for me to solve.  I remember my father, Francis Josiah CHAPMAN (m. Eileen Gladys MCDONALD), talking about him, but being young one never listens intently, so now that I could use the information, I don't remember the details of his conversations.

What I do remember is Dad talking about gUncle Samuel going to South Australia, and the grandad was writing to him for a while, but that the letters died off and no-one had heard of Uncle Samuel since.

It doesn't help the search when you have so many common names, does it?  I thought if I could pinpoint where Samuel CHAPMAN came from originally, I might be able to prove or disprove my theory re coming to SA and then going home to talk Josiah in to making the move.  I just have a distinct feeling that I am on the right track with this, because the Samuel CHAPMAN who arrived on the 'Charlotte Jane' in SA in 1852 was the same age that our Samuel would have been at that time.

Narelle

[ses]

Hi Narelle,

I have a g g grandfather Samuel Chapman in South Australia.  He had 12 children with Eliza Gormin/Gorman, though I've found no marriage record for them yet. 

Confirming when and how he arrived, finding his parents, birth etc has been a dead end so far so I recently started researching all the Samuel Chapmans in South Australia to see  if I could figure out something by a process of elimination.  I've been collecting bmd and newspaper cuttings from Trove. I haven't had time to organise it all yet beyond identifying mine. Two Samuel Chapmans seem to have stayed in Adelaide, two moved north to the Claire district.  One seems to have stayed in Lochiel, north of Pt Wakefield and died there.  The other (my Samuel) moved much further north eventually north Orroroo where the family ended up.

The interesting connection is that my Samuel Chapman had a child with Eliza Gormin born 3 Nov 1852 then no children until 1 May 1856. After that there is one every couple of years.  That is the time period when you think Samuel went back to England.

The Samuel that married Caroline Neville with father Joshiah that Karenlee posted is the other one that moved north of Adelaide. This is his death notice.

Samuel Chapman - "Death 7 Nov 1878, aged 49, of heart disease, at Lochiel, beloved wife of Caroline Chapman."  (Lochiel is north of Pt Wakefield.)

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Samuel Chapman
Death Date: 7 Nov 1878
Death Place: Lochiel
Age: 49
Residence Place: Lochiel
Registration Place: Clare, South Australia
Page Number: 96
Volume Number: 91
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829

I'm happy to pass on the other bits and pieces I've found but they are a bit of a jumble at the moment.

Best wishes,
Susan

[Little_Nell57]

Hi Susan

Thank you for your reply.  It would be great to have further information to pursue.  The problem with this family is the common use of names, which makes it difficult to sort out the correct lineage.  The one thing I am sure of is his arrival date in Australia with brother Josiah, and the age stated in that information means that he would have been born in 1829 (age stated 25 years in January 1855 - arrival on the 'Bangalore').  If you would like to PM me, I can give you my email address and perhaps we can help each other sort out the correct persons for our particular families?

Narelle

[cando]

I wonder why with this information, another request has been posted on the Australian Board today

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,541537.0.html

Cheers
Cando