Port Phillip "Exile": George KILMISTER

[majm]

Death in 1898 NSW for George W B KALLENSEE son of John L and Marion Registered in the district of Moulamein.  Ref 2357. 

Tony, Judith will confirm that Info on d.c. is only as reliable as the informant’s own knowledge, and in the case of NSW BDM index. Although  Kallensee v Kilmister seems to be way off, but parents names are akin to Geo’s. And Moulamein is very close to the border of Vic, and I have not found any other KALLENSEE on NSW BDM b, d or m indexes.... 

Judith, the NSW BDM online site is experiencing some online difficulties, so don't use the usual "*" wildcard option, it has been removed.  There's a current RC thread about these difficulties.   Transcript options for that Kallensee d.c. would be cheaper and quicker, and could be emailed as pdf file.

Re Kallensee v Kilmister, I realise I am speculating, and that it isn't really the "proper" thing to do.... Sorry BUT there's plenty on trove for Mr George Kallensee, associated with sheep droving and in various states ...  (oops, only four cuttings on trove, I had too many windows open and mis-read)

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Re KALLENSEE

NSW SRO index for Intestate Papers (keyword search, Kallensee) gives

KALLENSEE George William Blackford,  Moolpa Station near Moulamain, Station Overseer, 1898, and you can order that record via their online option.

EDIT TO ADD I have just checked the NSW 1903 ER for Riverina, polling place Moulamein, alas none with surname Kallensee (nor Kilmister).

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi,

An slight aside of sorts, searching trove using keywords Parkhurst Prison
 
George Hall, Esq, Governor of Parkhurst Prison, Isle of Wright, late of the 52nd Light Infantry, was married on the 21st, to Julia, the eldest daughter of Colonel George Grawler, H.H., (formerly of the same regiment,), late Governor of South Australia. (second and third cuttings show this marriage as 21 Sept 1847, in Derby, England)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2970063 12 January 1848 The Courier 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/48728464 2 February 1848 Sth Aust Register
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4763356 29 February 1848 Melb. Argus (leap year !)


Letter to the Editor from George Hall, Govenor of Parkhurst Prison could well be of interest for that PhD
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27452142 25 February 1846 Sth Aust Register.

Cheers,  JM

[BAC3]

Thank you all,

Mr KILMISTER continues to be elusive, so elusive I may consign him to the "forever pending tray".   There are a few there already!!

TROVE has been a marvellous resource and, in fact, since it became available to me in the UK has forced rewriting of many a Biography of the "Parkhurst Boys" that I thought were complete, though references to KILMISTER sadly have not been appropriate.

Incidentally, I have met Andrew Gill on several occasions on his research trips to the UK.   He confines his work expressly to the Parkhurst Prison "Apprentices" transported to WA, but my interest extends to the 2,000 or so sent to NZ, VDL and Port Phillip, including the odd 100 who were denied entry to Port Phillip and transferred to Sydney aboard the "Hashemy" and "Randolph".   If anyone has any "ancestor interest" in this particular area I would be delighted to hear from you or offer any help I can.

Once again thank you and, separately, Judith, of course.

For now,

Tony Cocks

[tropicalj]

Hello  there Tony

there is this marriage in Victoria
George  KILMISTER married Elizabeth HILLYER in 1844 reg no 4830
Denomination Church of England
Parish ST JAMES, MELBOURNE
Fiche  944

Jenn

[majm]

That's very very interesting Jenn,

It is also indexed as 1844 on the NSW BDM register showing St James C of E Melbourne.  I just wonder if there's a transcription error from way back, and in fact it should be indexed as 1847 .... 

NSW BDM gives its reference as Vol 29 line 697  (V1844697 29/1844 )   It would be interesting to read line 696 and line 698 to see what year for those. 

I wonder if those early records for pre separation of Vic from NSW (c1851) are based on the actual parish records at St James, or are based on NSW Archives or NSW BDM records etc .....  It is quite possible there's been a transcription error along the way.  The Early Church Records at NSW BDM were not lodged with them until after the establishment of that very organisation which of course dates from mid 1850's (ie after Vic had separated).

Cheers,  JM

[sparrett]

There are  at least 3 births to the couple JENN has found.

GEORGE and ELIZABETH (nee Hillyer)

They start at 1846, followed by 2 registered in 1848.

The surname in each case is KILMINSTER

Hard to assess whether the spelling error is in the marriage or the births.

Happy to type up the births if relevant but........


Sue

[majm]

Hi Jenn and Sue


Umm, well George doesn't seem to have arrived early enough then   

JM  ......

[donnatb]

Hello Tony,
I'm new to rootschat. I found earlier posts from you alluding to your PhD research on Parkhurst boys. Do you have information about a John Connelly who came out on the Marion to Port Phillip in 1848.  I have a lot of information about JC post 1852 in Victoria.
Donna