Dating please?

[Jude_the_obscure]

Hi, I've been reading this board for a while with interest but never posted before. Can anyone help date this picture? It was taken in Ireland and I think in the later part of the Nineteenth Century.

Thanks,
Judith.

[Jude_the_obscure]

and the back of it.
Thanks,
Judith

[That_Daft_Laddie]

To narrow your timeframe a little ........

Alex Ayton was based at '43 North Bruntsfield Place', Edinburgh from 1881 to 1890. 
His business remained at the same studio for about another 50 years,
but from 1891 onwards, the street was named 'Bruntsfield Place.

Source: > http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/pp/pp_ayton_cartes_de_visite_06-12.htm



Gordon

Edit:

Some details on Ayton at Shipquay Place, Londonderry ..........

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_studios/0_studios_ayton_londonderry_shipquay_place_1890c.htm

[jim1]

Everything about this says early 1890's.The cardstock is late 1880's -early 1890's design but the lady's dress style is the biggest clue.She's wearing a bodice with an extended shoulder known as a kick-up.This came about in 1889 -1893.This one is in the later stage so 1891-93.
jim

[IgorStrav]

I just wanted to share with you that I read this forum with huge interest particularly for the dating expertise shown here. 

I am but a mere novice, and there are some clues in thie particular dress which are very obvious, but I am so proud that the moment I saw this picture I said....oooh, 1893.....and Jim has agreed! 

I only need to master all the styles of dress that DON'T have kickups, now, Jim.

Lovely picture, Judith, hope you'll be able to identify your ancestors now.  Thanks for sharing it.

[jim1]

oooh, 1893.....and Jim has agreed!

Of course I could be wrong.

[IgorStrav]

No you're not.

Not unless she was an amazing innovator, or alternatively was wearing a dress several years old.

 

[Jude_the_obscure]

Hi, thanks for your help. I know nothing about dating! The photo must be of a brother or sister of my 3Xgreat grandparents who came from Ireland before this. Might be able to figure out who it is from the 1901 census thanks to the dating. Many thanks,
Judith.

[Jude_the_obscure]

I would welcome any advice here, based on the date people kindly provided, the sitter could only be the sister of my 3Xgreat grandmother, I bought a marriage certificate for her which gave the right name for the father (a different occupation for him but I can live with that), I then tried to find them on the 1901 Irish census and seem to have with the exact number of children and genders of children to match the photo and all at the exactly right ages for the sitters in 1893. So far so good. Not only that but the name of the daughter- Caroline Speers- turns up as a witness on my 3xgreat grandmother's daughter's wedding in England- there is no birth, marriage, death or 1901 or 1911 census record for this Caroline Speers in the right area in England suggesting to me that it's right and she is a cousin and witnessed the wedding while visiting. Not only that but on the 1901 census the family I found are living 2 minutes walk from where the photo was taken at Ship Quay Place. It all sounds perfect but there's one black mark- on census the mum is 8 years too young. Her age is given as 40 when it should be 48 and her husband's is given as 42 which may or may not be right, I don't know. But I'm going on and on, what I'd like to know is have a I got the right family or is the 8 years too young too much of a leap? Thanks.
Judith.