David Comber c1790

[comb]

I am trying to track down my GG Grandfathers,James William b1816, father David b abt1790.
 David is listed as  James father and a labourer on his son James wedding cert of 1845.
There is no mention of David in any of the census but I have come across a death entry for 1847 and am waiting for a cert that may give me some more info.
I have a baptism for a David Comber in 1801 but no birth date is listed so i cant be sure this is him,
so I cant tie him into the William and Jane/Jupp at this point I cant really move forward or should that be backward on my family tree.
At this stage I am not even sure if William and Jane are his parents.
Cheers Kevin
 
David Comber bap 10 May 1801 Charlwood, Surrey, England
Parents: William & Jane Comber

William Comber m Jane White 22 Oct 179 St George the Martyr Surrey

[Valda]

Hi


Charlwood is about 30 miles from Southwark and about 12 miles from Nuthurst which is further south again.

19th April 1795 St Saviour, Surrey
Elizabeth Comber parents William and Jane


Burials
15th July 1847
St Andrew Nuthurst Sussex
David Comber aged 7 (in Nuthurst on the 1841 census)

23rd January 1820
David Comber aged 27

25th September 1840 St Nicholas Charlwood
Jane Coomber aged 61

24th June 1802
Jane Comber aged 14

Nothing from the indexing of the 1801 baptism in Charlwood to show that David was a late baptism. You would have to check the records to see whether this was the case. For him to be the same man as the Nuthurst David he would have to have been about 8 at the time of the baptism.

Other baptisms for William and Jane in Charlwood

14th October 1804
Thomas Coomber

Mormon member submitted entry (so not indexed directly from the parish registers on the IGI)

9th February 1794
Jane Coomber

If correct it would make the Southwark entries less likely to be the same William and Jane.


On the censuses there is a James Coomber who was born (and married 1840) in Nuthurst circa 1816 but he doesn't appear to be your James William. No other James is showing born Nuthurst. An older William does appear on the 1851 and 1861 censuses.

Where does your James William state he was born on the censuses?

This tree would seem to indicate that David Coomber of Nuthurst did not have a son called James William.

http://www.mandywillard.co.uk/surnames/comber/david_1792.htm

There is no question on a marriage certificate which asks whether a father was deceased or not. It was the custom of some officials to ask the question, or if the information was supplied to add the extra detail. The information was not required and therefore many officials neither asked the question or considered it necessary to insert the information on the marriage certificate even if given the additional details were supplied. It is risky to assume a father was still alive at the time of the marriage unless you have evidence to show this was correct.


Regards

Valda

[comb]

Hi Valda
Thanks
I am waiting on the 1847  cert but from your info it may be the wrong David.
All my ancestors from James William Comber, b1816, to today's Comber clan are pretty well
covered, it is going back from James that is proving hard to find.
I didn't realize that David could have been deceased at James wedding date,but at least I have a name.
I haven't really worried about Elizabeth b1795 as a possible relative at this stage,penciled in only.
An Elizabeth b1811 shows up in the 1851 census which could be could be James sister not sure about what her posistion is .
They are listed as Combs on Ancestry I think FindMyPast has them listed correctly.
So I will just keep searching.
Cheers
 

[Valda]

Hi

The information on marriage certificates is only as good as that given. Ilegitimate people in particular were likely to give information about fathers which legitimised themselves. Many others on marrying upped the status of their fathers, changed their own ages for various reasons and sometimes gave incorrect information about their status. Therefore when checking the validity of the information on a marriage certificate it is always important to go from the known and proven, or if not that from the records that follow on from a marriage, which in most of the C19th is censuses. Does the birthplace on the following censuses lead you to a corresponding baptism with a father's name that correlates to the one given on the marriage. That was why I asked about the birthplace given by James on following censuses.
From the information you give this family on the 1851 census?

1851 census HO107 1645 folio 996
7 Providence Place North Brighton
James Comber 35 Head Married Stonemason Reigate Surrey (consistently states Reigate on censuses)
Louisa Comber 20 Wife Married Needlewoman Albourne Sussex
Daniel Comber 5 Son Albourne Sussex
Mary J Comber 3 Daughter Horsham Suusex
Ernest Comber 1 Son Brighton Sussex
Elizabeth Comber 40 Visitor Unmarried Needlewoman Reigate Surrey

Which does take you to a David Comber having children baptised in Reigate, so correlating with the information on the marriage certificate and the censuses of a David in Reigate.


ELIZABETH COMBER
Christening:  06 MAR 1808   Reigate, Surrey
Father:  DAVID COMBER 
Mother:  JANE 


JANE COMBER
Christening:  20 APR 1810   Reigate, Surrey
Father:  DAVID COMBER 
Mother:  JANE 


Possible marriage for the couple

DAVID CUMBER
JANE COOK 
Marriage:  14 OCT 1800   Nutfield, Surrey

The baptism of Jane Comber if she didn't marry may lead to a connection with Cuckfield.

1851 census HO107 1610 folio 549
Barming Bridge Barming Kent
William Coomber 34 Head Married Platelayer Cuckfield Sussex
Mary Coomber 30 Wife Married Tenterden Kent
Naomi Coomber 5 Daughter Headcom Kent
Edwin Coomber 3 Son Marden Kent
Mary Coomber 9 Months Daughter Barming Kent
Jane Coomber 37 Sister Unmarried Reigate Surrey (with her brother on the 1861 census)
Susan Smith 12 Niece Headcom Kent


1841 census HO107 1111 /7 folio 32
Stable Cuckfield Sussex
David Comber about 70 Labourer
born in county (a yes answer to this question on the 1841 census may be unreliable)
Adult ages, those over 15, usually rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census.


1851 census HO107 1642 folio 212
Union Workhouse Cuckfield Sussex
David Coomber 84 Widower? Pauper inmate Farm Labourer Unknow

Deaths Jun 1851   
Comber  David     Cuckfield  7 2[35]1   


Earlier burial in Holy Trinity Cuckfield

5th February 1835
Jane Comber aged 49


Which if husband and wife might mean that this was David's second marriage though this Jane, if her age is accurate (taken from an index) on burial would be very young for a marriage in 1800.


You would need to check the Cuckfield registers to see if there are any baptisms for David and Jane's children. If they moved there immediately from Reigate it is possible James William born Reigate was baptised in Cuckfield (or another place in between) if he is the son of this David and Jane. Have you considered this couple or already eliminated them? Have you checked the Cuckfield baptisms?



Regards

Valda

[comb]

Hi This is the James I have followed right thru to today's clan ,my direct line
1841 England Census about James Coomber-COMBER
Name:    James Coomber
Age:    25
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1816
Gender:    Male
Where born:    Surrey, England
   
Civil parish:    Leigh
Hundred:    Reigate (First Division)
County/Island:    Surrey
Country:    England   
Street Address:
Occupation: Ag Labourer   
Registration district:    Reigate
Sub-registration district:    Horley
Household Members:    
Name    Age
William Coomber    70
James Coomber    25
Henry Coomber    25
Mary Top    70
Harry Japp    13

The 1851 census, HO 107 1645 folio 996, onwards I have placed all the Combers so I am happy with that side of the research.
Elizabeth the visitor is an unknown and I really haven't followed that line yet.
The 1851 death in the Union Workhouse of David Comber Cuckfield 7 231, gives no clues to this being the David I am looking for. I have the death cert and the date is the only thing that puts him in the ball park,not enough at this point.
The David Coomber in the Union Workhouse and the death, the date on the death cert states, 7th April 1851 as the date of death.The census was taken on the 6th June so these are two different Davids!!!
Interestingly tho they are both at the Union Workhouse. I think I have attached his  cert.
I haven't had time to check on  a wife for David,that may be the next way to go.
All I have at this moment is David Le Comber married Sarah Langley at St Lukes, Old St, in 1805 and
David Comber to Emeley Millyard 25 Apr 1816,Nuthurst,Sussex
Because I am going back so far ,as you said, unless i can get to parish records, I cant really make any hard links. I may have to put this part on hold for a while.
Cheers

[Valda]

Hi

There is a crown copyright issue with certificates so really only parts of certificates can be attached on Rootschat for deciphering purposes, otherwise transcriptions are enough.
The census of 1851 was the night of 30th March. The census of 1841 was 6th June (the only one that late in the year). So the David in the union workhouse on the 1851 census would be the same man whose death certificate you hold.

Your James seems to have consistently been (on censuses from 1851 onwards) a stone mason not an ag lab and his surname seems consistently spelt as Comber not Coomber, though surname spelling is never exact this early (Lecomber however would be a different surname entirely - lots of entries for that surname in London).
The James Coomber in Leigh on the 1841 census, since adult ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census, could be aged between 25 and 29. He and Henry both appear on later censuses with a birthplace of Leigh.

1861 census RG9 441 folio 91
Addlers Cottages Mickleham, Surrey
James Coomber  48 Lodger Unmarried  Farm Labourer Leigh, Surrey

Parish entries for Leigh not taken directly from parish registers but submitted by a Mormon church member to the IGI (Family Search)

JAMES COMBER
Birth:  28 AUG 1809   
Christening:  22 SEP 1809   Leigh, Surrey
Father:  WILLIAM COMBER   
Mother:  JANE

HENRY COMBER 
Birth:  26 DEC 1811   
Christening:  29 MAY 1814   Leigh, Surrey
Father:  WILLIAM COMBER 
Mother:  JANE     
 
When you state

'All I have at this moment is David Le Comber married Sarah Langley at St Lukes, Old St, in 1805 and David Comber to Emeley Millyard 25 Apr 1816, Nuthurst, Sussex'.

Does that mean you have eliminated this marriage given in the previous post?

DAVID CUMBER
JANE COOK 
Marriage:  14 OCT 1800   Nutfield, Surrey

Lecomber is a different surname and the children of David Comber and Emeley Millyard all seem accounted for (see previous link given).

16th August 1818 St Leonard Shoreditch Middlesex
James Lecomber  parents David and Sarah, Browns Buildings, father's occupation weaver

Weaver would be a typical occupation for a Huguenot family and the surname indicates the family were of French origin.


Your James is proven in Sussex from the time of his marriage onwards in 1845.  It is just over 15 miles from Cuckfield to Brighton and just over 17 miles between Reigate and Cuckfield all on a straight route south.



Regards

Valda

[comb]

Hi Valda
Oops about the cert,wont do it again.
I haven't really looked to hard at marriages for David. I figured to follow that up once i was
happy with a David that could fit.

The two marriages I have looked at were the first and only time i looked so i really hadnt done
anything about them as far as research apart from checking the Millyard line and came across their tree
which ruled me out going any further on that line.

I only have a rough idea about the Surrey/Sussex towns/parishs and their location to each other, which doesn't make it easy to place people.

The William I have used in my tree was the one in Leigh,I did wonder about Ag Laborer to Stonemason,should have followed that thru more, so maybe Davids father isn't William!!!
That piece of info came from the late Don Herbert and it is only now that I am trying to go back further, to
prove one way or an other,who Davids parents/wife and children are, James William Comber b1816 Reigate I am 100% sure of.


My ancestral tree is not out in the public domain,I have few names on Genes and a few on Ancestry,to glean some response from others researching the same, so I can alter it as much as I like without impacting others
that maybe using my info.

On what you have posted I would say that William and Jane are not Davids parents.
The David and Jane Cook marriage I will have to try and follow up on ,because of the spelling
I hadn't looked very close at this.
 Can Cumber become Comber?
As you say it is mostly transcription error that change the Comber name,when the original is sighted it is quite easy to see that it is Comber.

I think I am in for the long haul on this one.
Cheers Kevin

[Valda]

Hi

The Cumber marriage in Nutfield

They were both of the parish at the time of their marriage by banns. Both signed with a cross and the witnesses were Charles Hamlin and Lucy Finch. The curate of Bletchingley took the service. As David was illiterate and possiblity not originally from Nutfield whoever wrote the entry in the marriage register would do their best with the spelling of the surname from David's pronounciation of it (with whatever county/area accent he had with or without all his teeth still in place). The Bishop Transcript - copy taken from the actual marriage register for Nutfield, doesn't give the status of David and Jane and whether they were bachelor and spinster.

Bishop Transcript
7th March 1813 St Mary Magdalene Reigate
James Comber parents David and Jane, Reigate, father's occupation labourer.

If the correct parents it might be a child who died young (can't see a burial that would fit) or James chose to shave some years off to be nearer in age to his younger wife. His age at death would place him nearer the 1813 baptism.

Deaths Mar 1877   
Coomber  James  63  Brighton  2b 160

His death and marriage registration are just as James as is this baptism.

COMBER, Elvin      
Christening Date:17 Jul 1853   
St Peter Brighton         
Father:James COMBER
Mother:Louisa


Where have you James William from?


You can use Google maps to help you find places and also using directions the route and distance between two places.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl


Regards

Valda

[sillgen]

There are numerous Comber families in Sussex.   To get an idea just google "sussex genealogies ardingly centre" and see what comes up.  I have a copy of the entries from that book.  All the villages mentioned are very close to Cuckfield and it is still a common name there today.  There are several spelling variants.   Copies of many years of the parish register are held at Holy Trinity Church Cuckfield so if you have specific names and dates eventually I can look at them for you.
Try this for more info including some wills.
http://www.mandywillard.co.uk/surnames/comber/family.htm
Regards
Andrea