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Offline stanmapstone

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Re: Need help uncovering a dark secret!
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 May 11 14:10 BST (UK) »

1901 Census shows:

Sarah back at home as head of the family home with 4 of the children (one of the missing children is Jemima Lewis who was an inmate at the Devon and Exeter reformatory for girls – but that’s another block for another time :( )

George Lewis is no where to be found

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Sarah is at home with two of her children, Thomas and Edwin. There is also a Mildred Lewis,  granddaughter and an Edward Edwards, a boarder. RG13 Piece 2515 Folio 24 Page 15.

Stan
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Re: Need help uncovering a dark secret!
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 19 May 11 14:17 BST (UK) »

1901 Census shows:

Sarah back at home as head of the family home with 4 of the children (one of the missing children is Jemima Lewis who was an inmate at the Devon and Exeter reformatory for girls – but that’s another block for another time :( )

George Lewis is no where to be found

- Ben


Sarah is at home with two of her children, Thomas and Edwin. There is also a Mildred Lewis,  granddaughter and an Edward Edwards, a boarder. RG13 Piece 2515 Folio 24 Page 15.

Stan

Thanks for pointing that out, i forgot to mention that however i didnt realise Mildred was a grandaughter so thats news to me, another link to investigate!

Im still not really finding any results for George Lewis when i search the ancestry criminal database and theres no way of searching between dates, i know he wasnt in prison in 1891 but by 1901 he is missing so no doubt between those dates is when he was shipped off.

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Re: Need help uncovering a dark secret!
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 19 May 11 14:27 BST (UK) »
The marriage reference is on the GRO index, which you can see at:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

If you want to order a copy of the certificate you can do so from:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anywhere online that you can see further details of this marriage (you can sometimes do so using the familysearch site).  
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Re: Need help uncovering a dark secret!
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 19 May 11 14:31 BST (UK) »
George could be an inmate of the Union Workhouse Cleobury Mortimer in 1901
George Lewis, 52, Married, Labourer (General), place of birth not known.

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Mo
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 19 May 11 14:42 BST (UK) »
George could be an inmate of the Union Workhouse Cleobury Mortimer in 1901
George Lewis, 52, Married, Labourer (General), place of birth not known.

Regards,
Mo

He was born in 1851/1852 so would have been 54-55 unless they made a mistake? He was a coal miner in 1881 and in 1891 a Quarry Labourer. I imagine it would be most likely that he was in a local jail? Or if his crime was serious would he of been shipped off somewhere alot further?

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 19 May 11 14:50 BST (UK) »
He would still appear in the census if he was in a prison anywhere in England and Wales. Transportation ended in 1867 so that can be ruled out. Dartmoor was a prison for the most serious crimes.
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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 19 May 11 15:05 BST (UK) »
He was born in 1851/1852 so would have been 54-55

That doesn`t quite add up  :)

He was aged 1 on the 1851 census and 11 on the 1861 census and so would have been 51 on the 1901 census.

Baptism of George Lewis to parents Thomas and Ann at Hopton Wafers on 11th November, 1849. 

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Re: Need help uncovering a dark secret!
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 19 May 11 15:29 BST (UK) »
He was born in 1851/1852 so would have been 54-55

That doesn`t quite add up  :)

He was aged 1 on the 1851 census and 11 on the 1861 census and so would have been 51 on the 1901 census.

Baptism of George Lewis to parents Thomas and Ann at Hopton Wafers on 11th November, 1849. 

Mo

Ah so he is! Ancestry has him at aged 10 but it does show him as 11 on the census. I need to pay more attention. Ive found the census you mentioned, hes the only one there who's in shropshire, where do i go from here? Is it possible to see how many george lewis's were born around that time, if im lucky he may be the only George Lewis! (wishful thinking :P? )

[quick edit] why on the 1851 census has it got his age as 1 but then it being crossed out?

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« Reply #17 on: Thursday 19 May 11 15:38 BST (UK) »
[[quick edit] why on the 1851 census has it got his age as 1 but then it beign crossed out?

It is not really crossed out.  It was check mark done when collecting the statistical information required from the sheets, if you actually viewed the original it would possibly be shown in a different coloured ink.

Mo
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Lancs: Harrison, Entwistle, Devine, Grundy, Ashworth, Freeman, Jackson, Rushton
Cornwall: Rich, Binney, Peak(e)
Devon: Martin, Walter(s)