Watson

[bendywendy]

I keep plodding with info for this family..

On 1911 Census Summary Books I have found a listing for a Mrs Watson of Mablefield 11 Grovehill Road, Beverley. No 189 on schedule. 3 males, 3 females.  This must be Dorothy, Enid, Cyril, Harold maybe Joseph and another female?

bendywendy

[bendywendy]

Census info for Arthur Watson brother to Joseph Watson who went to Canada.
I am in contact with a lady whose Watson ancestor went to New Zealand, William Watson had a son William Andrew Watson of which she descends from, anyone know if there is a connection with this Watson family.

1871 cen   Church Street, Great Driffield, Yorks        RG10/4807   58 7
Arthur Watson, Boarder, 12 B. Kirk Ella  - Mistranscribed as WaKson !! tis clear on original as Watson.
Joseph Watson, Boarder, 14 B. Kirk Ella
Schoolmaster was a Mr James Firth with wife Kate. There is 33 other boys listed. This would be a private school, possible connected with the Church.


1881 cen  Farm House, West Ella. RG11/4750  90 15
Arthur Watson, Head. Unm, 22. Farmer of 400 acres of Land employing 3 men, 2 boys. B. Kirk Ella
Betsy Parr/Carr. Unm, 36. Housekeeper Domestic.                                                          B. Hatfield, Yorks
Maria Watson, Unm, 17.  General Servant Domestic.                                                       B. West Ella


1891 cen   Wood House, Raywell, Cottingham, Yorks  RG12/3915   100 4
Arthur Watson, Head. Mar. 32. Farmer                  B. Hull
Edith M, Wife, 33.                                                   B. Hull
Florence M, dau, 6.                     Scholar                B. Anlaby
William F, son, 5.                            ""                    B.     """"
Noel A, son, 4.                                                        B. """""
James S, son, 1.                                                     B. Cottingham
Edith B/Curton, S, 29.              Governess                 B. Hull
Elizabeth Lupton, S, 21          Cook                         B. Winterton, Lincs
Helen Freelon, S, 19.              Housemaid               B. Swanland
Louisa Featherston, S, 14.      Nurse                      B. West Ella

Possible Marriage... Arthur Watson to Edith Mary Fisher @ Sculcoates 9d  Jun 1882
Possible Births....    Florence Mary Watson @ Sculcoates 9d  Dec 1884
                           William Fisher Watson @ Sculcoates 9d  Dec 1885
                            Noel Arthur Watson @ Sculcoates 9d  Mar 1887
                           James Stanley Watson @ Sculcoates 9d  Mar 1890

1901 cen   Arthur Watson not found.
Possible Death  Arthur Watson 36 yrs @ Sculcoates 9d  Dec 1894

1901 cen @ 35 Park St, Kingston Upon Hull   RG13/4502  13  17
Edith M Watson, Wid, 42.   Living on Own Means                  B. Hull
Florence M Watson, Dau, S.                                                   B. Anlaby
James S, Son, S.                                                                     B. Cottingham
Ethel M Anderson, S, 26.   Lady Helper Domestic                   B. Hull
Kate Hardbottle, S, 20.        General Domestic                       B. Roos


1901 cen @ Wilberforce Lodge, Hostel & Grammar School, Barmby on the Moor,  Pocklington, Yorks   RG13/4453  40  3
Noel Watson, Boarder, 13.        B. Anlaby
William Watson, Boarder, 15.    B. Anlaby


DESTRUCTION OF FARM PROPERTY BY FIRE.- On Wednesday evening about nine o'clock, news arrived at the Yorkshire fire-engine station of a fire at Mr. Watson's, Woodhouse Farm, Raywell, the property of Joseph Sykes Esq. The engine under the command of Mr. D. Holmes, with all possible speed, proceeded thither. It appears that the fire commenced in a large barn, containing a great quantity of new wheat, ready for thrashing. The barn which contained a thrashing machine, along with the wheat, and various other implements of agriculture, &c., were completely destroyed before the arrival of the engine. A considerable amount of damage was done to a granary adjacent, containing a quantity of old wheat. Great praise is due to the inhabitants of the surrounding district for the strenuous exertions they used in protecting the various stacks and other property adjoining. The exertions of the firemen were directed to the confining of the disastrous element within the walls of the barn. The fire could be seen a great distance off. Ti is not, as yet, known how the fire originated. We understand the property is insured.
Source: LOCAL INTELLIGENCE .
The Hull Packet and East Riding Times (Hull, England), Friday, September 21, 1849; Issue 3378

So, which Watson was living at Woodhouse Farm, Raywell in 1849 ??


IMPORTANT SALE OF VALUABLE SHEEP, CATTLE, HORSES, AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTS, &c., &c.

MESSRS. BUST and GREENWOOD respectfully announce to their Agricultural Friends and the Public, that they have received Instructions from Mr. Day, of Woodhouse, Raywell, near Hull, (who is declining Business), to SELL BY AUCTION, in the Month of March next, the whole of his valuable FLOCK of SHEEP, superior Bred CATTLE, HORSES, AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTS, &c., &c., which will be found well deserving attention.
Source: Advertisements & Notices .
The Hull Packet and East Riding Times (Hull, England), Friday, January 21, 1848; Issue 3287


DEATHS
April 26, at Woodhouse, Raywell, aged 2 years and 9 months, William, son of Mr. Wm. Watson
Source: Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
The Hull Packet and East Riding Times (Hull, England), Friday, May 2, 1862; Issue 4032.

can anyone find this family on 1861 census

[wilcoxon]

I had to find Cottingham and then  go through the enumeraters list to find Rayhill Raywell 1861
Yorkshire
Cottingham  dist 5e -  image 28
Watsons Woodhouse farm
William Watson  head 37 b Little ?
Elizabeth  wife 37 b Kirk Ella
James 8
Rebecca E 4
William 1
Richard W Hardy pupil 18 pupil in farm b Australia.
 plus 3 servants

[bendywendy]

Hi wilcoxon
Many thanks for finding the info, no wonder it wasn't coming up as Raywell...
Now to find out if they fit into this same family of Watson or a different clan altogether....

UPDATE
I have located 2 living rellies, 1 to Enid and 1 to Dorothy, but still no further with any information
of what happened to Enid or her brothers, Joseph, Cyril D & Harold Watson after 1911 and 1917.
A mystery of where they went 

b.

[Pankpop]

Yes, Bendywendy, they fit into the same family. I will post my research tomorrow.
Pankpop

[bendywendy]

Pankpop, thank you very much, that saves me a lot of research....

bendywendy

[Pankpop]

Let’s start with Joseph Watson, b. West Ella 1785 d. Kirk Ella 1855. He farmed at Kirk Ella Grange and the first time I can pick him up on records is in the 1834 Voters Roll, where he is recorded as farming 50 acres at Kirk Ella Grange.  Then there’s -

1841 census:
Joseph (55) and wife Elizabeth (45)
Children: Hannah (20), William (17) Sarah (15) and Elizabeth (12)

1851 census:
Joseph (66) widowed
Children: Elizabeth (22), Joseph (17),  Jane (14), Sarah (25) with her husband Henry Wilson and son James; grandson Edward Atkinson, son of Hannah deceased

Altogether, Joseph & Elizabeth had 8 children, although there might have been others who died in infancy: Hannah, William, Sarah, Barry, Elizabeth, Rebecca, Joseph, and Jane.

The branch of the family you’ve been tracking up till now is that descended from the second-last child, Joseph.  The other siblings I have tracked as follows:

Hannah m. John Atkinson and had one son, Edward Watson Atkinson, before dying of consumption at the age of 28.  Edward married Frances Mitchel, but died suddenly aged 27 after falling off a horse. So that appears to be the end of Hannah’s line.

William m. Elizabeth Holmes in 1841,  and farmed at Woodhouse Farm, Raywell. They had 5 children:
- James m. Betsey ?, had 1 son, 3 daughters; farmed at North Cave
- Rebecca Elizabeth (haven’t traced her)
- William died aged 3
- Joseph Frederick m. Berth Sarah Scott, 2 daughters
- William Andrew m. Ruby Ethel Crickett, 2 sons, 1 daughter, emigrated to NZ

Sarah m. George Henry Wilson, a “chemical manure manufacturer”. They are my great great grandparents and had 5 children, as follows:
- James Henry m. Georgiana Grey Johnson, 3 sons, 2 daughters
- Annie Gertrude m. Richard Dickon Poppleton, 2 daughters, one of whom is my grandmother
- William Herbert m. Mary Harriet Gray, at least 1 son, probably more
- Barry Watson m. Elizabeth Crane Milne, no children as he died age 28
- Edgar died age 7

Barry Wride died aged 19, no issue

Elizabeth was at Kirk Ella Grange for the 1851 census but I haven’t found any trace of her after that

Rebecca was at Kirk Ella Grange for the 1841 census but I haven’t found any trace of her after that

Joseph m. Martha Walker, and took over the farm Kirk Ella Grange on his father’s death as he was recorded as the farmer there in the 1871 census. He then took over Woodhouse Farm in Raywell from his brother William, as he is recorded as the farmer there in the 1881 census. He is also recorded as signing the lease for Gordham Farm, Cherry Burton, in 1887 and 1891. Joseph’s son Arthur is recorded as the farmer at Woodhouse Farm in 1891. Joseph and Martha had 4 children:
- Joseph the original subject of this thread, farmer at Gordham Farm and eloper
- Arthur m. Edith Fisher, farmer at Woodhouse Farm 1891, died 1894, 4 children
- Annie was at Woodhouse Farm in the 1881 census, no trace after
- Ada E. was still unmarried at 37 in the 1901 census

Jane m. David Barr, farmer at Rowley/Riplington Manor House. She took over as the farmer on her husband’s death. They had 5 children:
- William m. Rose, 5 children
- Watson m. Eliza, 1 child
- Ellen may have died unmarried in 1925
- Walter Henry m. Edith Brown, farmer, 7 children
- Edith Mary m. John William Coulson, farmer, 5 children

That’s the long-winded overview. I’d be interested to hear from anyone descended from Sarah and George Henry Wilson or having more information.

[bendywendy]

Hi Pankpop
Many many thanks for this wonderful info      and for tracking this family further back too   

This thread just keeps growing and growing.

What I notice about all these families is the unmarried women and some of the women just disappear 
When one thinks about these women, they really didn't have any financial prospects within the farms, only the sons had that priviledge, so I dare say these women were really doomed from the start unless they fell lucky by marrying and into a life they were accustomed too.

I have been tracking Ada Elizabeth Watson c 1863, she ends up living with various rellies on different census's and is still single at age 48 .... BUT states Living on Own Means.... now how did she come by her own money, or was the unmarried women in these families given money from their siblings who owned/tenanted these farms as an annuity

Some of the sons also had private education, but again the women didn't - mundane "family education, homemaking and sewing" would have been for the women !!! 

bendywendy

[bendywendy]

Following on with the first family that Pankpop has given info for, could this be his Baptism, his parents and siblings for Joseph Watson c1786.

Joseph Watson
Baptism date:   1784  Place:   INDEPENDENT, SWANLAND, YORK, ENGLAND
Father:   Joseph Watson
Mother:   Elizabeth
Indexing No:   C13367-1
System:   England-VR
Film No:   828164

Possible siblings to Joseph 1784

William Watson
Baptism date:   1768   Place:   INDEPENDENT, SWANLAND, YORK, ENGLAND
Father:   Joseph Watson
Mother:   Elisabeth
Indexing No:   C13367-1
System:   England-VR
Film No:   828164


Elizabeth Watson
Baptism date:   01 Jan 1769  Place:   Swanland, Yorkshire
Father:  Joseph Watson
Mother:   Elizabeth Watson
Record set:   RG4_2769


Elisabeth Watson
Baptism date:   01 Jan 1770   Place:   INDEPENDENT,SWANLAND,YORK,ENGLAND
Father:   Joseph Watson
Mother:   Elisabeth
Indexing No:   C13367-1
System:   England-ODM
Film No:   8281


Mary Watson
Baptism  date:   07 Nov 1771  Place:   Cottingham, Yorkshire
Father:   Joseph Watson
Mother:   Elizabeth Watson
Record set:   RG4_2637


Catharine Watson
Baptism date:   02 Dec 1775  Place:   INDEPENDENT,SWANLAND,YORK,ENGLAND
Father:   Joseph Watson
Mother:   Elisabeth
Indexing No:   C13367-1
System:   England-ODM
Film No:   8281


Joseph Watson
Baptism date:   1777  Place:   INDEPENDENT, SWANLAND, YORK, ENGLAND
Father:   Joseph Watson
Mother:   Elisabeth
Indexing No:   C13367-1
System:   England-VR
Film No:   828164


John Watson
Baptism date:   1778  Place:   INDEPENDENT, SWANLAND, YORK, ENGLAND
Father:   Joseph Watson
Mother:   Elisabeth
Indexing No:   C13367-1
System:   England-VR
Film No:   828164


Ann Watson
Baptism date:   08 May 1780  Place:   INDEPENDENT,SWANLAND,YORK,ENGLAND
Father:   Joseph Watson
Mother:   Elisabeth
Indexing No:   C13367-1
System:   England-ODM
Film No:   828164


Hannah Watson
baptism date:   24 Sep 1781 Place:   INDEPENDENT,SWANLAND,YORK,ENGLAND
Father:   Joseph Watson
Mother:   Elisabeth
Indexing No:   C13367-1
System:   England-ODM
Film No:   828164


Could this be the marriage for the parents as above :

Groom:   Joseph Watson
Bride:   Eilizabeth Forgs       could this be ForgE
Marriage date:   22 Jul 1766    Place:   Rowley Near Hull,York,England
Indexing No:   M10700-2
System:   England-ODM
Film No:   919436

Nothing found for Baptism for sunname Forgs, but found this:-
Elizabeth Forge
baptism date:   06 Nov 1746   place:   ROWLEY NEAR HULL,YORK,ENGLAND
father:   William Forge
mother:   Mar.
Indexing No:   C10700-2        System:   England-ODM        Film No:   919436

Now there are 2 other listings for an Elizabeth Forge, 1 @ Burton Agnes and 1 @ Beverley and DOB fits.


I cannot find a marriage for Joseph Watson c 1784 to Elizabeth c 1794.
She could be a Wride after giving Barry the middle name of Wride OR Elizabeths' mother could have been a Wride.  I cannot find a birth for an Elizabeth Wride either.

If I am correct then this could be the same Wride family that married into a Watson family later-  John Wride c 1823 North Dalton married Maria Watson 1820 Cherry Burton dau of Richard Watson c 1777 Cherry Burton who was the son of Stephen Watson 1716 Kirk Ella.
 All these families details are on Red1st...  you will have to join as a free member to view  
http://www.red1st.com/axholme/index.php

bendywendy