Islington workhouse-St.John's road

[nvb272]

Hi

does anyone know if the workhouse had a number? my gt gt grandfather was living at 129 St.John's road in 1939, my partners gran was born there in 1909, i have also noticed others who lived there too.

the censuses seem to only go up to 127.

[JenB]

Yes, Islington workhouse was 129 St John's Road.

See http://www.workhouses.org.uk/  Click on 'Do you have any post-1904 workhouse birth/death certificates' top right of the page for an explanation.

Jennifer

[t mo]

hi i,ve just looked at all available censuses from 1861 onward and no 129 shows for st johns road islington , in 1861 cen it only shows up to around 24 -in 1871 -it only shows 10 records but no house numbers at all  -then in 1881it goes up to 212 with the very last property on the list being the workhouse but no number attached to it the workhouse is run by george sustins and his wife mary - by 1891 cen again the numbering in the road goes up to 212 but the next property is the caretakers house for the wesleyan chapel and after that 3 more properties which must have been built in the previous 10 years as they have numbers but also a after each number there is no mention of the workhouse but on looking for george sustins it emerges he is still master of the workhouse but is now a widower  - in 1901 cen again no mention of the workhouse  nor in the last cen up to date  so a bit of a mystery as to where 129 is .
what are your sources as to 129 , another thing is that when looking down the list of house numbers some have as many as 3 for the same number this probably is 3 different families living in separte parts of the same house but quite confusing all the same , a bit like this ramble of a post i hope you can make some sense out of it .
regards
trevor
ps i was just trying to post this but Jennifer beat me too it so pick out the relevant bits 

[nvb272]

Hi

The address was given as their birth/residence

my partners nan was born there and my gt gt grandfather died at another address but was residing there.

[ThompJack]

Can I but in on this thread please? I have the death certificate of a relative who died in Islington Workhouse, St Johns Road in 1907. The fact that the informant was her husband residing at 11 Ambler Road Islington leads me to wonder if the workhouse had a general hospital open to the outside public. Any one got any ideas or info on this?

[Jeuel]

Workhouses had infirmaries to which non-resident people had access.  Many of them became NHS hospitals.

[Valda]

Hi


Returns for institutions on censuses

'The institutional books are usually associated with the areas in which they stood. In 1841 they can usually be found at the end of the household returns for the place concerned, or at the end of the returns for the hundred in which they lay. In later years they can be found at the end of the returns for the relevant place, or for the registration district. The returns have also been microfilmed in this order. Indexes held at the Family Records Centre will give the appropriate census piece number...... These institutions were defined as every gaol, prison, penitentiary, house of correction, hulk or prison ship, workhouse, almshouse, hospital, infirmary, asylum, madhouse, public school, endowed school, college, barrack, and 'other public or charitable institution'.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/census.html


e.g. 1891 census

61-127 St John's Road Islington = RG12 145 folios 133-138

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Islington_Registration_District,_1891_Census_Street_Index_S-T

St John's Road Workhouse Islington RG12 150 folios 63-80

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Islington_Registration_District,_1891_Census_Street_Index_U-Z


In 1904 guidance was issued by the Registrar General for registering births that occurred in workhouses. In an attempt to remove any stigma associated with such births, only the address was be included with the name of the institution omitted. In 1919 similar guidance was given for deaths and the practice of putting a letter W in the margin of the entry was also discouraged (indicating workhouse).



'The Development of the London Hospital System' details the development of the workhouse infirmaries from the C19th through to the C20th.

http://www.nhshistory.net/poor_law_infirmaries.htm



Regards

Valda

[Ottawa_John]

The building was still there in the 1950s and early 1960s. They painted it up and called it "The aged pilgrims home!" Many of the poor old guys in there then still remembered when it was the Workhouse.

It sat in its own grounds on the north side of St Johns Road and went up the hill a bit, lots of Victorian corridors where the wind still blew down. I do hope they pulled it down and built something a bit more civilized.

[Ted Vandebint]

Hi All,
Apologies for butting in, but I'm trying to find 14 St Johns Road Islington (in 1879) - "Islington East" sub-district.
It sounds from all these posts as though you might know where it is...?
The nearest spot I could find was in South Tottenham, just off the A503 but its miles from Islington, though number 14 does look like a very old spot!

Have I found the right St Johns road, or was the real one totalled in the Blitz?

Ted