Completed: No longer a mystery - McLusky - Glasgow??

[billnkempsey]

Thanks again Monica.

Many thanks to sancti, I had just noticed that one my family sources mentioned a marriage in June 1831 so I check there before checking here. Glad I did, the mystery deepens (for me, anyway).

I found the 19 June 1831 record (McCluskey/Morrison) in the OPR section. Then read sancti's message and saw 'Catholic' and checked there. That register has the marriage on 14 July 1831 between McLusky and Morrison? Does that make sense. Could this have been a mixed marriage? Or was it normal to do both if you were Catholic in Glasgow? The Catholic record also seems to contain a wealth of information but its very faint. It starts 'Hugh McLusky born in the parish of B....' but I can't read the rest. Is there a way of getting a good copy of that entry? (I'm only a newby, so remember to tell me the obvious things! Yes, I'm hoping its only a button press away.)

I'll print it out and see if that helps.

As Monica says, a place name would help!

Cheers

Bill

[MonicaL]

You might be very lucky Bill and get some indication of Irish origins from the RC marriage entry that Sancti has found! You can contact SP regarding an illegible image www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=1210 If you explain to them the problem, they will arrange for the image to be enhanced and will send this to you via email. They are very quick to respond to this type of query.

You will sometimes find for this period that you are in that RC marriages were included in the Old Parish Register entries (for the established Church of Scotland, ie presbyterian). Not a sign of a mixed marriage, most likely an efficient Church of Scotland clerk recording all the events in their parish as it was expected for the Church of Scotland to try to do.

Monica

[billnkempsey]

That was a quick response! Ta.

I'll try contacting SP and see what they say. All I can read is parish of B... county D.... and then faint lines after that. Although the parish for Ann seems to have been left blank! Maybe the mixed marriage isn't out of the question? (But could just be too faint.)

Cheers

Bill

[sancti]

The OPR entry is probably the first announcement of the banns 19 June and the actual marriage would be the date in July

[billnkempsey]

Thanks for the info sancti! That makes some sense of it.

[sancti]

Sorry for the string of posts, billnkempsey  I am just posting as I find info (hope info makes sense!).

What was Ellen's religious denomination? From the site linked above, Scotlands People, there are four entries showing on the Roman Catholic Birth/Baptism database for the children of a Hugh McLusk(e)y and Ann(e) Morrison at Glasgow St Andrew's between 1830-1851.

Spellings are rigid on SP, so best to search with wildcards to pick up all variants. I have been searching for a Hugh McLusk* and an Ann* Morrison, this is bringing up the four entries.

Monica

Just checked the RC births and they are double entries so only 2 births showing

Birth 11/09/1832 Bapt. 16/09/1832 MCLUSKY FRANCIS - HUGH MCLUSKY/ANN MORRISON M GLASGOW, ST ANDREW'S

Birth 19/09/1837 Bapt. 24/09/1837 MCLUSKEY HARROLD - HUGH MCLUSKEY/ANNE MORRISON M GLASGOW, ST ANDREW'S

[mona lisa]

My gtgtgrandfather Edward McDevitt aka M'Daid married Elizabeth M'Cluskey I believe in County Derry 1842 RC ceremony.. Their son my gtgrda  John was in  Calton Glasgow 1855 or so til about 1877. He tho Roman Catholic married a Presbyterian. One of my gt uncles has Closkey as a middle name. The children were raided in both religions.

[billnkempsey]

Thanks again for all the info.

The two births are interesting, especially given that the 4 children that appear in the 1841 census don't get a registration but the 2 registered aren't on the census? Just how many Hugh and Ann McLusky's are there?

Hugh McLusky (nor Hugh jnr) don't appear on the 1851 census, but I can't find a death notice for either. (There is a Hugh McLusky who died in 1874 at age 7, but he's the only one I can find.)

Now checked the death notice Monica directed me to - gives Ann Morrison's parents! So that's a step forward. This notice also indicates that Hugh was dead by 1883, but I suspect long dead by then.

A historian of Scots in Australia filled me in on the situation at the time and tells me that the double entry was required to get formal registration of the marriage. Also explained why St Andrew's is referred to as a 'chapel' in the marriage registration. (The entry before mine is signed by Andrew Scott! Can't make out who officiated at Hugh and Anne's however. William something or other)

Looks like Hugh hails from Banagher parish, county Derry, while Anne (probably) comes from Armagh. You haven't come across any Anne Morrisons (dau of James and Mary Morrison) have you Mona Lisa?

[billnkempsey]

Obtained an image of Ann McLusky's death registration, listed as Pauper, widow of Hugh McLusky Cotton spinner, which fits with the 1841 census data. Lists her place of death as City Poorhouse, Glasgow. Is it possible to access those records online?

Intriguingly it lists her daughter as Mrs(?) Cairney, must be Mary/Maryann? Something for me to follow up?