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Long inventory from short 1588 will (first section)
« on: Tuesday 17 May 11 00:58 BST (UK) »
Item vj acres Corn
Item v acres hay
Item hotes [oats] and Ca__
Item 2 sledds a pair crooks
Item iii clogs (wooden cart wheels)
Item an ark in the barn
Item a Tub ij ca__  saddles a stee (ladder)
Item 3 load saddles a hackney saddle
Item wood Timber on the ground
Item 3 ploughs 3 harrows
Item spares (spars? Thatching rods)
Item peats & wood
Item more wood
Item a chest
Item a flesh tub 2 little ____
Item laths and wood
Item a Raving (rail) slat
Item fire wood at house End
ij whys   
Item iij kye [kine]
Item 3 gelot (gelt? Castrated sheep)

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Re: Long inventory from short 1588 will (first section)
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 17 May 11 17:14 BST (UK) »
This one is both interesting and difficult because there are so many words that aren't familiar anymore... don't know whether the letter-by-letter interpretation is correct or not.  So here's what I see, you probably see it too but what does it mean?   ???

hotes and cards   -- no clue what cards would be

a tubb ij care sadles  -- although the e at the end of care isn't the style this scribe usually uses at the end of a word, and no idea what kind of sadle that would indicate...

a flesh tubb and two lyttle tubes  -- if one tub has an extra b, why do two of them not?  But it does fit in context.

Gelet -- do you have a reference indicating that this was a common term for sheep?  I'm not challenging, just interested because modern castrated sheep are called wethers, and I was led to think that was a word that came from very old England along with most of our good sheep breeds... and maiden sows are called gilts, also an old husbandry word.  Your farmer was probably more likely to have had sheep than hogs, though...... so just rambling and wondering!

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Re: Long inventory from short 1588 will (first section)
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 17 May 11 17:45 BST (UK) »
Could it be oats and tares - the capital T is very like the captial C with an extra top stroke which isn't in evidence in this word tho'.  Tares are a generic word for tufted grasses e.g vetch.
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Baldwin / Dixey / Rumble (Berkshire)
Burnsides / Corps / Harker / HINDLE / Longstaff / Martin / Page (Co. Durham)
Chalker / Glyde / Morris / Pitman / Stroud (Dorset)
BARTON / Heasman / Wheatley (East Sussex)
Baby / Silver / Silvester (Hampshire)
BARTON / Cheeseman / Head / JONES / Kidder / Wood (Kent)
Chalker (Somerset)
Chatburn / HINDLE (West Yorkshire)
Curtis / Davis / Stevens (Wiltshire)
Arcules / Carter / HINTON (Worcestershire)

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Re: Long inventory from short 1588 will (first section)
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 17 May 11 17:47 BST (UK) »
Thanks, silvervista!

I have a small dictionary of terms used in old inventories, and they have the definition for gelt as a castrated sheep.  Gelt seems to be a synonym for geld.

BUT I found this online:
Gelt: An adult, female sheep that is not in lamb when others are. Often she has been kept away from the ram because of problems at a previous lambing. Gelt ewes are fattened for sale to the meat trade at a time when lamb is in short supply

 ???


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Re: Long inventory from short 1588 will (first section)
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 17 May 11 17:51 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Ermy.  Tares makes sense in context, though the 'T' looks a lot like the 'C' in corn. 

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Re: Long inventory from short 1588 will (first section)
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 17 May 11 17:56 BST (UK) »
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care sadles  -- although the e at the end of care isn't the style this scribe usually uses at the end of a word, and no idea what kind of sadle that would indicate...

Could it be a cart saddle: a small saddle put upon the back of a draft horse when harnessed?

(Though the word looks more like care than cart!)

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Re: Long inventory from short 1588 will (first section)
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 May 11 20:09 BST (UK) »
Bridget,

I have an 1896 dictionary which is good for agricultural terms, and this gives a meaning for "card":

 "An instrument  for combing, opening, and breaking wool or flax, freeing it from the coarser parts and from extraneous matter. It is made by inserting bent teeth of wire in a thick piece of leather, and nailing this to a piece of oblong board to which a handle is attached. But wool and cotton are now generally carded in mills  by teeth fixed on a wheel moved by machinery."

It sounds as if these were obsolescent by 1896, so perhaps they go back to 1588 ?

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Re: Long inventory from short 1588 will (first section)
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 May 11 22:38 BST (UK) »
We still use cards today -- in fact, I have sheep, and do the whole wool carding/combing/spinning thing!  But generally, these inventories listed like things together -- so if indeed they are wool cards, then is there a chance hotes are something besides oats? Just doesn't seem right to jump straight from acreage and crops to a woman's fiber processing equipment...

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Re: Long inventory from short 1588 will (first section)
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 17 May 11 22:43 BST (UK) »
I agree, silvervista.  I wouldn't price oats and cards together.  I suspect that cards/cares is some kind of grain.

Bridget