Well i live on the windyhill road and alot of people still refer to it as the murder-hole road. I am not sure if those two men are direct relatives, but i assume they are of relation to me. It is in a time where there is little records. In the tamlaghtard church the records miss almost 30 years in the 1700s, so they are sparse then. I am lucky to get back to the 1700s. The only place i can go now is proni which i won't get to for a while because my father is not really interested as usual. He is convinced that we aren't miskimmins (because of what his father says) and ignores anything to do with them. So i just ignore what he says and write down the miskimmins relations. He is missing out on alot of details because of this. I can assure you now that we ARE miskimmins because miskimmins is a varient of cummins and i have seen records in dunboe 1st where my relatives have been referred to with that name Personally i think it is a thran attitude. There is something about that name in my family. Every-time it gets mentioned immediately i am told we are not anything to them. It is getting a bit irritating at this stage. I wish they'd get over this bitter attitude and get on with it.