mcclellands land.. where are the people from?

[CummingsL]

Hi Owen

I see you have done a lot of work on your connections. Have you by any chance come across a marriage in Magilligan or Limavady where a Cummings married a Miskimmins?

Thanks

[owenc]

Hi well I haven't found anything. But I know my surname used to be miskimmins. I know that there was a part of our family at the times of miskimmins that separated and changed names to Cummings. Maybe your related.

[CummingsL]

Thanks Owen.

I'm Liam son of * (from Limavady) now in Derry. May I ask which side of the family are you from?
Have you any ideas about the name change? I spoke to * (William's son, William known as Bar the Door) he and others in my family just think it was a mistake. An old woman who used to help my mother referred to us as McCummings. I believe there was something else that wasn't spoken about that brought about the change. My great grandfather Joe was in Josephine avenue in the 1911 census registered the whole family as Miskimmins yet my grandfather Sammy has Cummings on his birth certificate and Miskimming on his marriage certificate. They were known as both Miskimmins and Cummings. I see that in Tamlaghard there was a Samuel and a William Miskimmin (1730 and1749) These were the family names used at my grandfather and his siblings ie William, Samuel and Patrick. I have a notion that there was some sort of union at my great great grandfathers level between Cummings and Miskimmins. My great great grandfather was also Joe. Have you made a connection with Samuel and William from 1730 and 1749?
Thanks

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[owenc]

Hi I am from this family: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Bannbrook/Ringrash_More/588338/

I am not sure who William is? I know that we used to be miskimmins and then it changed to cummins I am not sure. We were never Cummings. I believe miskimmins and cummins/Cummings are the same surname (they both mean the same thing) so that is why you will find them both in use. The Samuel in 1730 Is the furthest back I can possibly get to, I don't think I can get back any further because there was no church there before then. I think that your family belongs to ours and split off in a row after a terrible atrocity. That Is what I've been told I'm not sure why the name changed.  My dad tried arguing with me that those relatives are not mine in 1730 but in convinced they are because it's the same surname and our family originated in magilligan. I think they may have converted from the church of Ireland to Presbyterian when my ggg grandfather married a Presbyterian I am not sure on that but that's what I think. I would love to get back further but I can't. Im pretty sure they're planters who were brought in from wigtownshire with lord mcclelland (he and his wife planted the local area) because I have found records showing miskimmins there in the 1600s. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~leighann/spelling_variants/7.htm

It is a very rare surname I can't pinpoint it's origins but from that I think they'd come from there

[owenc]

And what's this talk of a Cummings marrying a miskimmins have you got a family myth?

[CummingsL]

No myth. It's only my notion. My great grandfather was church of Ireland and was married in Ballykelly. Apparently he changed to be catholic some time after that. His name was Joseph as was his father and grandfather. Great grandfather Joe had three sons, Paddy Willie and Sammy (my grandfather) known as Miskimmins or Cummings. Some of the family weren't too pleased at being called Miskimmins. In fact great uncle Paddy put something in the Coleraine Chronicle that he would prosecute anyone who referred to him as Miskimmins. Is there a Joseph anywhere in your line.
Going back to the name change it may be that it was McKimmins. Kimmins became Cummins and McKimmins became Miskmmins.
Would it be possible to have a look at your family tree? I believe that there is a link from our side to Cummins in Coleraine. In fact my father was registered as Cummins but he then registered us as Cummings.
Interesting stuff.

[owenc]

Well if you like I can send you a pm on why yours left. I can't say on here because it's very secret and only a few know about it. Funny my granda is like that (I'm certain it's not the reason I've stated though) as he hated being called the wrong surname. I am the same and I am forever telling people that my name is not Cummings! Lol! I believe that you come from our family and broke off? I don't think there is a link I think were the same family and your branch broke off. I know that anything before 1850 had miskimmins in it and no cummins so it was possibly before this.

[owenc]

What is the furthest you can get back? Do you have any Presbyterians before your grandfather as my family coverted from the church of Ireland along time ago circa 1790. I'll post a bit on here.

Samuel cummins born 1st Dunboe church 1899 married Mary Ann smith drumachose Presbyterian church limavady

James cummins born 1852 magilligan Presbyterian church married Sarah mcsheefry in 1873 and had several children including Samuel Rachel tillie Joseph and David.

James cummins born 1810  magillligan Presbyterian church married Matilda black
in Dunboe 1st Presbyterian had several children James Joseph and Rachel

David miskimmins born 1784 in magilligan church of Ireland his wife was Rachel can't find marriage though (there us a space in church of Ireland records)

Rachel miskimmins 1757 magilligan church of Ireland
William miskimmins born 1749 magilligan church of Ireland

Samuel miskimmins born 1730 magilligan church of Ireland married Ann dogan in magilligan church of Ireland 1747

[kingskerswell]

Hi
    Some extra information:-
Magilligan Muster Roll 1666 John Miskemin (sic)
1740 Protestant Household Survey. Townland of Carnowry. David, George, John, and James Muskimmin (sic)
1750 Birth of William, son of Samuel Miskimmin and his wife Susanna. Church of Ireland
1755 Birth of Jane, daughter of Samuel Miskimmin and his wife Susanna
Samuel Miskimmin married Susanna Dougan on 30 Dec 1747 in Magilligan Church of Ireland.
Hervey/Bruce Estate Papers c1800 Manuscript Valuation Book-Tircreevan Samuel McCummins and James McCummins.

Regards