mcclellands land.. where are the people from?

[Billyblue]

hi Owen
From your first post query - no they weren't all from Kircubdright.  My family name comes from Ayrshire and there were 4 brothers of that name 'planted' in northern Ireland - Down and Antrim.

Historically, the people were transplanted from Scotland (mainly) and England.  The authorities in England were trying to subjugate the Irish (catholics) by overwhelming them with people of the 'correct faith'.   It's well documented in numerous books.

What people are trying to tell you is that "The Plantation" in Irish terms has nothing in common with sugar planations and the like, in the Caribbean / America etc.         

Dawn M

[owenc]

hi Owen
From your first post query - no they weren't all from Kircubdright.  My family name comes from Ayrshire and there were 4 brothers of that name 'planted' in northern Ireland - Down and Antrim.

Historically, the people were transplanted from Scotland (mainly) and England.  The authorities in England were trying to subjugate the Irish (catholics) by overwhelming them with people of the 'correct faith'.   It's well documented in numerous books.
What people are trying to tell you is that "The Plantation" in Irish terms has
nothing in common with sugar planations and the like, in the Caribbean / America

 etc.         
Dawn M

Hello thanks for Replaying... Your post confirms my thinkings... The mcclellands sound awfully similar to that of the people who planted Graham nortons people ... In that they highered tenants  from all over.. But I'm trying to find out if they have
 Any other estates that aren't in kirkcudbright were they highered tenants from so
I could try and look to see if my family name  pops up so that when I get the
actual estate records I could locate them!? You are lucky because your name only
has one origin my name has two origins one from northern Scotland and one from
northern England both with different spellings which Is getting annoying because I
have found them in records with both English and Scottish spellings so now I have
 no idea what to look out for but overall they seen to be closest to the English
one...But I have nearly 100 percent confirmed them as planters as if that man Is My ancestor then they are almost certainly planters as they are in the 1630 muster roll and as far as I'm aware no natives where aloud ...  Just wondering did tenants come from Northumberland frequently? As it looks like the spelling in the list is from there (I have checked familysearch and this spelling is only found there) ...

[kingskerswell]

Owen,
        Have a look at;
 http://ancestryireland.com/scotsinulster/Scottish%20Undertakers/Scottish_Undertakers.html
The darker the shading the heavier the emmigration to Ulster.

Regards

[owenc]

Owen,
        Have a look at;
 http://ancestryireland.com/scotsinulster/Scottish%20Undertakers/Scottish_Undertakers.html
The darker the shading the heavier the emmigration to Ulster.

Regards

Hi Thanks by looking at that the mcclellands are good wee bit from northumberland... It looks as though they mustn't highered tenants from somewhere else I'll ask again does anyone know if they had any other estates besides in kirkcudbright??

[akanex2]

The Muster Rolls contains mostly "planted" tenants, but some "native" Irish as well.  A cursory check of the Rolls for the Mercers (Kilrea/Swatragh) and Ironmongers(Garvagh/Aghadowey) Estates shows about 7% with gaelic names (i.e. not including those Irish who anglified their names).  The Crown authorities were more interested in increasing the proportion of "loyal subjects" than simply the proportion of protestants (although the rivalry/wars with Catholic powers on the Continent like France and Spain often put the loyalty of Catholics under suspicion, so there was a considerable overlap).

Robert McClelland (Lord Kirkcudbright) was the chief tenant of the Haberdashers and Clothworkers Estates and also had large estates in Donegal and Co Down as well as his Scottish lands.  He was also heavily involved in the Courts of King James I and King Charles I in London so travelled extensively from his residence at Ballycastle.  His wife was a Montgomery of Newtownards and his wide range of influence means his tenants could have come from anywhere. Following his death, the Haberdashers lands passed to his son-in-law, Sir Robert Maxwell.

According to JS Curl's book "The Londonderry Plantation", "McClelland brought many members of his family and other Scots from Galloway to his lands in County Londonderry".  Curl also note that in 1622 he had 100 "british" tenants to 125 "native" tenants on his Haberdashers Estate.  By 1630 he had the highest number of british settlers of any of the estates in Co Londonderry ("many of whom were Scots, encouraged to settle by McClelland").

Hope this helps.

[owenc]

Hi thanks very much for that it helps alot! It looks as though according to that the planters came from southern Scotland but not just kirkcudbright as I suspected... That's that cleared at least now I will know a general area to look at but I suspect that my ancestors come from somewhere east of kirkcudbright just beside the borders area going by family search and areas where it occurs most frequently... Although that may not be true!? It's very odd because I always thought the planters came from all over Scotland but now it seems they come from the lowlands and Ayrshire etc... Hmmm

[Billyblue]

Yes I think the Scottish were mostly from the lowlands.
They probably couldn't find the Highlanders to 'transplant' them - or they resisted more than the lowlanders?
      
Dawn M

[owenc]

Typo...

[owenc]

Yes I think the Scottish were mostly from the lowlands.
They probably couldn't find the Highlanders to 'transplant' them - or they resisted more than the lowlanders?
      
Dawn M

Hmm no I think it was because they were catholic and weren't loyal to the crown aswell as the fact that they didn't speak English up there  I think I read somewhere that for one undertaker to become an undertaker he had
to swear to an oath that he would bring over at least 20 Strong Protestant men (theses were implemented to protect the planters from the woodkern who tried
attacking them regularly although I doubt there were many of them here because
 this area was all forest and it was sparsely populated according to wikipedia the population In 1600 was only 30000 and by the end of the plantstion it was a mega 300000) loyal to the crown and spoke english only LOL .... 
Here's a bit about them : http://grayfamilytree.homestead.com/Ulstersettlement.html