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Re: For 'Linmey' re Woodhams from Bedfordshire
« Reply #72 on: Saturday 25 June 11 15:50 BST (UK) »
I didn't surmise that all the places were connected. On the contrary. I live in the south of France, so trips to BLARS are few and far between. In any event I have no interest in the Woodhams, other than trying to help people who pose questions on these boards.

Jill, notwithstanding that you've now received all the answers to my queries, if you have any queries please feel free to post them!

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
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Re: For 'Linmey' re Woodhams from Bedfordshire
« Reply #73 on: Saturday 25 June 11 18:10 BST (UK) »
So not having access to 'the file' I am going to pose another question. If Tickle or now Jill would send me a PM with your email address I will PM you back with mine, & one of you can send it on, thanks

Is the Susan(nah) Webb that married Thomas Woodham in Riseley in 1687 related to the Sarah Webb who married Gulielmus (William) Woodham in Eaton Socon on 14 Apr 1690

Regards John

(sorry got to go & get ready - meeting someone in Olney at 7:00pm)
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Re: For 'Linmey' re Woodhams from Bedfordshire
« Reply #74 on: Saturday 25 June 11 19:02 BST (UK) »
There's a Mr John Woodham of Gastlings buried at Southill on 14 Jan 1771, and a William Woodham, yeoman, on 4 Aug 1784 (possibly the one who married in 1771). I can't see an obvious connection between the Southill Woodham family to the Gamlingay one.

David.  Even though I don't have access to 'the file' I think I can answer the above query.  I found the following on A2A (Access to Archives) whioch is now part of The National Archives site.  The original document is at BLARS.

BLARS Ref: HF13/5/12  Bargain and Sale dated 7 Feb 1767 mentions
Parties: 1.  John WOODHAM the elder of Gamlingay, Cambs, gent
              2.  John WOODHAM the younger of Southill (son and heir of above)
Property: 4 acres of arable land in the fields and bounds of Clifton and Henlow some time purchased by 1. from Mary KING.
A part of the same document quotes John WOODHAM of Little Wild Street, Lincolns Inn Fields, Middlesex, coachmaker (nephew of John WOODHAM late of Gastlings, Southill, gent, deceased) as vendor of the above property 14 & 15 Oct 1771.

According to A2A BLARS has at least two other documents mentioning John WOODHAM of Gamlingay.  The first is dated 7 Feb 1756 when John WOODHAM acquired a mortgage of £70 from Thomas THOMPSON of Potton, barber and peruke maker, for a cottage or tenement with orchard and appurtenants at Wilden in the occupation of George FITZHUGH. BLARS Ref X631/17.  Evidently John didn't receive the £70 so the property was vested in  him and the second document (BLARS Ref: X631/21) refers to its subsequent conveyance.

There may also be other documents relating to these families on A2A but the following , held at Somerset Archives could be interesting.

1797 George, Earl of Macclesfield leased two farms in Gamlingay, Cambs, to Willam WOODHAM of (part of document missing) in Cambridgeshire for 12 years.
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Wiggins - Oxfordshire
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Bettle - Bedfordshire and Northamptonshire
Marshall - Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire
Goodman - Buckinghamshire

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Re: For 'Linmey' re Woodhams from Bedfordshire
« Reply #75 on: Sunday 26 June 11 06:14 BST (UK) »
Thanks Orpheus. I'd found the two documents naming John Woodham of Gamlingay, and the £70 mortgage, but not the other one, which is much more relevant to the Southill situation.

So the John who was buried at Southill in 1771 was the son of John of Gamlingay, and was given land in Henlow and Clifton in 1767 by his father. After his death he appears to have left the land to his nephew, another John, who sold it later in 1771. What the connection was, if any, between William Woodham of Keysoe who married in Southill in 1771 remains to be established.

Thanks for helping to fit another piece to the jigsaw

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell


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Re: For 'Linmey' re Woodhams from Bedfordshire
« Reply #76 on: Sunday 26 June 11 08:58 BST (UK) »
Bedfordshire Boy, David - I have taken onboard all of your advice especially re online info - thanks. And If you think there wasn't another generation between John c 1688 Gamilngay and William 1756 Gamlingay then I'll go along with that too. I had found alot of the Access to Archives info you mention but, unlike you, couldn't work out where it all fitted in - so thanks for your input on it.
      All of your help, and time, has been much appreciated - I now feel that slowly, oh so slowly, things are gradually becoming clearer.
                   Best wishes,
                             Jill

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Re: For 'Linmey' re Woodhams from Bedfordshire
« Reply #77 on: Sunday 26 June 11 09:49 BST (UK) »
The William Woodham who was married in Southill in 1771 was the 'cousin' who married Mary Cooper, who was housekeeper (probably) of John Woodham of Gastlings (d 1771), who still had a wife Elizabeth living in Newport, Essex. Part of the condition of William inheriting John's estate was that he married Mary Cooper, which he obligingly did within 3 weeks! (Who wouldn't!) John and Elizabeth were estranged and lived apart for some time. Their children are the Woodhams of Steeple Bumpstead among others. William and Mary had 2 kids (William & Susanna) baptised at Keysoe before moving to Stanfordbury, Southill, for the third (Sara, m John Hart,) in 1774. William died in 1784, and was succeeded, apparently, at Stanfordbury by son John who died sometime after 1829, when he is recorded on a mortgage. He is not mentioned in his father's will but two brothers William and Thomas are. The Woodhams tend not to mention eldest sons in Wills on a number of occasions, probably because they have already had property in the way of farms settled on them during father's life time. Incidentally, Willliam is the son of Thomas Woodham and Margery Clark, of Beeston, Sandy. Thomas of Beeston died intestate in 1747, and William is identified from the administration.

Told you it was complicated!

Have a nice Sunday

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Alder - Berks
Benning/Bening - Middx, & Cambs
Brook - Suffolk/Cambs
Burton - Herts
Petley - Suffolk
Death - Suffolk
Ellington - Suffolk/Cambs
Elsworth - New York
Fayers/Faiers/Faires - Suffolk
Grasemann - Germany & London
Howels - Hants
Mitchell - Sussex, Surrey
Oldham - Lancs
Priest - Hants
Raines - Co Cork, Ireland
Rysdyck/Rysdyke - Netherlands, & New York
Ryder - Cheshire/Lancs
Sanders - Hants
Urmson - Cheshire
Willis - Suffolk
Woodham - Cambs, Beds, Essex

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Re: For 'Linmey' re Woodhams from Bedfordshire
« Reply #78 on: Sunday 26 June 11 12:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tickle. I believe you when you say it was complicated!

I will do my best to have a great Sunday. Mad dogs and Englishman play pétanque in the midday sun in the south of France! And that's where I'm going in a few minutes. Probably be safer sitting indoors in front of the screen looking for dead people, but I'll take a chance!
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: For 'Linmey' re Woodhams from Bedfordshire
« Reply #79 on: Sunday 26 June 11 13:12 BST (UK) »
Enjoy the petanque "et quelquechose a boire sans doute! une verre peut-être?"

Take care

Tickle
Alder - Berks
Benning/Bening - Middx, & Cambs
Brook - Suffolk/Cambs
Burton - Herts
Petley - Suffolk
Death - Suffolk
Ellington - Suffolk/Cambs
Elsworth - New York
Fayers/Faiers/Faires - Suffolk
Grasemann - Germany & London
Howels - Hants
Mitchell - Sussex, Surrey
Oldham - Lancs
Priest - Hants
Raines - Co Cork, Ireland
Rysdyck/Rysdyke - Netherlands, & New York
Ryder - Cheshire/Lancs
Sanders - Hants
Urmson - Cheshire
Willis - Suffolk
Woodham - Cambs, Beds, Essex

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Re: For 'Linmey' re Woodhams from Bedfordshire
« Reply #80 on: Monday 27 June 11 06:45 BST (UK) »
? ? ? related to the Sarah Webb who married Gulielmus (William) Woodham in Eaton Socon on 14 Apr 1690

Are these the William & Sarah Woodham mentioned in the back pages of the Riseley PR transcript

Dissentors
Thomas the son of William & Sarah Woodham was born February 9th 1690/1
William the son of William & Sarah Woodham was born May 4th 1694
The third son of William & Sarah Woodham was born July 15th 1696
Anabaptists
John the son William & Sarah Woodham born 14th Jan 1703/4


Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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