Darney/Madden Aberdare descendants

[Scrumhalf]

looking for descendants of Frances (nee Madden) and John Darney (Re soldier 67th Reg) both born in Ireland married 1859 Treforest  SWales children Patrick b Treforest and Thomas b Aberdare.
 
Frances is my gtgm . Her parents  were I believe Thomas & Mary Madden living in Aberdare 1861. Mary last known widowed and living in Ebbw Vale in 1871 with daughter Mary A.

[cardiff]

Hi scrumhalf
 do you want later census info or want someone who knows the family.
cheers cardiff

[Scrumhalf]

Thanks I've got the census details  info,  I'm really looking for descendants who may be able to supply vital links answers in the main to Frances (nee Madden) Darney and Margarets possibly her daughter b 1866 Aberdare or Cardiff father John Darney?
Later Frances Madden we know had a son Humphrey in Aug 1867 b in Cardiff father Michael Sullivan but no trace of M/cert ,
Humphrey next appears in Cwmbran 1871c  as son of Michael Sullivan and Margaret(nee madden) m 1870 together with a daughter Margaret b1867Aberdare
Margarets birth is the key but cannot trace any record that fits

[cardiff]

Hi scrumhalf
I looked at your request again...You say that Frances Madden married John Darney 1859 in Treforest Pontypridd?
I see on Freebmd marriage
Frances Madden =m= John Darney 1st qtr 1859 vol 11a page 319 district CARDIFF, If they had married in Treforest their district would have been Pontypridd.

Unless of course you have their marriage certificate! Tto confirm Who frances's father is you need the Marriage certificate.
Also looked at their two children's births
4th Qtr 1857 Patrick Madden district- Cardiff vol 11a page 261 no birth in Pontypridd for Patrick darney or Madden
3rd Qtr 1860 Thomas Darney  vol 11a page 380 district Merthyr Tydfil this would be the correct district as in 1861 they are living in Aberdare.
I can see that on the Freebmd there where 2 Humphrey Sullivans born 4th qtr 1866 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a page 369
and 3rd qtr 1867  cardiff vol 11a page 246
Do you have the birth certificate of the Humphrey Sullivan in Cwmbran  1871?  Do you have the marriage certificate of Margaret Madden =m= Michael Sullivan  1st qtr 1870 vol 11a page 187 Pontypool.
Just trying to make sense of your info this may help others to see who you are looking for
cheers cardiff

[Scrumhalf]

Diolch cadiff    This gets complicated in answer to your questons

1  Yes I have Frances & John Darneys M/cert -St Dubritius RC Ch Treforest her father Thomas Madden Shoemaker .
2  Also I Have Humphreys b/cert b Cardiff Love Lane 01.08.1867 M  Frances Madden  F Michael Sullivan and  have details of his baptism St Davids RC Ch Cardiff 03.08.1867 m Frances Madden & F Michael Sullivan so it appears they were not married as both surnames are used.

3  Michael Sullivan next appears on the 1871 Census in Cwmbran with wife Margret2 Madden but they also have his son Humphrey(my GrFth) b1867 Cardiff and a daughter Margaret1  b1866 Aberdare
Daughter Margaret 1  is the problem child -----
Q1 Who are her parents ? born Aberdare  points to Frances 
Q2 Who is Margaret2 the mother where did she spring from? Has Frances had a name change?

4  Next I have the m/cert for Michael Sullivan & Margaret Madden2  in Pontypool in 1870 Margarets father is listed as Thomas Madden Shoemaker same father as Frances

I also have an 1861  census for Thomas Madden and family in Aberdare but no Margaret or Frances
but we know Frances has married John Darney and 1861 c confirmed in records as living with him and family in Aberdare

The plot thickens we can make assumptions but the key is Margaret1 who are her parents ?
Her b/c would settle all the questions all we know is she was born 1866 .It must have been early in the year because Huphrey was born in August i.e if they have the same mother

Hope you can sort this out I've all margaret's  Gt and gt gt  Grandaughters waiting for the answer

 

[cardiff]

Hi
I noted on the 1881 censusRg11/5271/34/17
Margaret gives her birth has being 1865
poss birth
Margaret Darney 3rd qtr 1865 vol 11a page 395 district Merthyr Tydfil. Whats your thoughts on that entery?
cheers cardiff
Would it be Margaret or Frances on that certificate?
ps What happened to John Darney? I dont see a death for him?What happened to Partick and Thomas who is on the 1861 census?

[Scrumhalf]

Thanks again cardiff Margaret b 1865 is a poss as we already have a b/c for humphrey her brother/step for 01.08.1867
So Margaret 3rd Q 1865 will be worth pursuing.
What happened to John Darcey and sons patrick and Thomash ? are not exactly in my family line
His Gt Gds are researching that side of the family

[pippylong]

Hi Scrumhalf,

I'm going through my Darney notes again, and I see that you have the marriage certificate for John Darney and Frances Madden. I wonder if you can let me know who John's father is and what his occupation was please?  I'd be very grateful,

Pip