Completed. thank you. a 1891 census lookup please

[nkbauer]

Hello,
I have searched several times for William and Catherine Allan and their children (9 possibly) in the 1891 census. I found them in Cathcart Renfrewshire in the 1881 census and Catherine and most of the children in the 1901 census in Cathcart Lanarkshire. I can't find a record of William's death but suspect he died after the 1881 census. Where did the others disappear to after his death? Any help much appreciated/
Nan

[sancti]

What was the date and location of their births

What was Catherine's maiden name?

[Rodeo]

Hi Nan

If the relations you are enquiring about are William Allan (b. 1841, New Monkland, Lanarkshire) and Catherine Clark (b. 1844 in Ballachulish Argyleshire), there is a tree on Ancestry that includes this family. According to the documentation in that tree, William Allan died on 10 July 1914 in Glasgow and Catherine Clark died on 28 November 1916 in Glasgow.

The 1901 census shows Catherine (head, carting contractor), her seven children and grandson, John Marshall, living at 33 Minard Road, Cathcart.

Their daughter, Agnes Allan, emigrated to Canada, arriving in Quebec on the Hesperian on 22 September 1912. She married George Lang Currie on 24 September 1912 in York, Ontario and they had a daughter Catherine Allan Currie (b. 1914 in Galt, Ontario, Canada).

Cheers,

Rodeo

[nkbauer]

Hello,
I am aware of the tree on ancestry but I want to verify for myself any information that I record for the final version of my tree. I took a  relative's information on one family member and later found she had made a mistake. The name of the shared relative was the same, the father's name of that person was the same but the mother's name was different. I've spent hours and money on research that I now can't use. Right now my tree is a disaster as I try to correct my information. The date for William Allan's death in 1914 was found on another tree but I haven't been able to verify it. I hope to do so before tracing that branch of the family any further.
Thank you for your efforts to date.
Regards, nan

[nkbauer]

Hello again,
Rodeo has found the right family. I can find them in 1881 in Cathcart Renfrewshire and Catherine Allan nee Clark with several of the children in 1901 in Cathcart Lanarkshire. I can't find them anywhere in 1891. I suspect William Allan died after 1881 but can't find proof. The 1914 date is on a family tree but without verification.
Can anyone help solve this puzzle?
Nan

[MonicaL]

Nan, have you thought to check the 1901 census image to see what it says about wife Catherine's marital status (married or widowed)?

The 1912 Ontario marriage for Agnes Allan, simply states father as William Allan, carpenter and Catherine Clark.

Monica

[nkbauer]

Hi Monica,
The 1901 UK census on ancestry stated that Catherine was the head of the family. She is also the head of the fmaily in 1911. After 1881 I can find no mention of William Allan b.1841 in Langlaon(Langlone), Old Monkland. I assume he died some time after 1881 but can't find his death except on other family trees where there is no verification. There is no one here left to ask.
I have the actual 1912 marriage certificate of Agnes Allan and her husband  and it doesn't even state the names of the parents or professions. I'm surprised William was listed as a carpenter. He was a carter in 1871 & 1881 and an unskilled labourer before that. William Allan was my ggrandfather.
Regards, Nan

[MonicaL]

Hi Nan

The Ancestry Scottish census transcriptions are great aren't they, however, there is one piece of vital info they don't include and that is the marital status for someone (single/married/widowed). This piece of info is only available on the original image on Scotlands People. I just thought it might help you narrow down possible windows of time for William Allan's death if by 1901 wife Catherine already showed as widowed or still married.

Agnes' 1912 Ontario marriage certificate does show her parents' names. I checked it to see whether there was a mention of her father being deceased. There isn't but that is not to say he wasn't and this info was not recorded there.

One other check might be the marriage certs for the children of William and Catherine (Clark) to see what the marriage certs say about their father and whether he shows as alive or deceased when his children got married.

For example, did Margaret Allan marry Robert Marshall? From 1901:

Robert Marshall 28
Margaret Marshall 29 b. Glasgow
Catherine Marshall 5
Mary Marshall 3
Margaret Marshall 5 Months
Mary Allan 25 b. Cathcart

Address: Callendar Riggs, Falkirk

Margaret's marriage looks to likely have been just after 1891 going by the ages of her children. Hopefully her marriage entry might give you further clues.


Monica

[MonicaL]

Just a thought...

As Rodeo mentioned, there is the date of 10 July 1914 for William Allan's death. Looking through some of the trees on line, I think daughter Janet Allan married John Cameron on 10 July 1914....I wonder if father showed as deceased on her marriage entry and this is why the date of 10 July 1914 has crept in to people's research?

Monica