Robert Rayner - Dewsbury

[WPR]

My Great Great Grandfather was Robert Rayner from Dewsbury, who married Betty Hemingway on 13 Oct. 1843. His father was named Robert Rayner. Betty's parents were Joshua and grace Hemingway. That's the only information we've been able to track down from Parish Registers. Does anyone have any information on Robert, birth dates and so on and his ancestors.

W. P. Rayner

[suzard]

Hi and welcome to RootsChat

Are you certain betty's mother was named Grace??

From census it seems her name was "Peace"?


and daughter Mary married a Daniel Raynor



Suz

[suzard]

1841
Dewsbury Yorks
Joshua Hemingway 35 Sawyer J
Peace 35
Sarah 15
Betty 15
Mary 10
Peace 7
Titus 5
Joshua 3
Stenton 1
all b in county
HO107 1268 5 16 25

1851 Rectory Lane Dewsbury Yorks
Joshua Hemingway Head M 47 Wood sawyer
Peace wife 48
Joseph son 25 Coal Miner
Hannah daughter 22 Power Loom Weaver
Titus son 15 coal miner
Joshua son 13 coal miner
Stenton son 11
Bethel son 8
Harriett dauhgter 5
all b Dewsbury
(there is a widow Sophie hemingway and her children living next door)
Ho107 2324 288 9


1861
Thornhill Rd Thornhill Yks
Joshua Hemingway head M 57 Cloth Weaver
Peace wife 58
Stenton son U 20 coal Miner
iett daughter 16 Woolen Weaver
Daniel Raynor son in law M 34 Sawyer Ossett Yks
Mary Rayner daughter M 31
Charlotte Rayner granddaughter 9 scholar
Joseph Raynor grandson 3
Frederick Rayner grandson 8

all except Daniel Rayner b. Dewsbury

RG9 3416 40 6

IGI has this marriage -although it is submitted)

Marriage
Joshua Hemingway
Peace Stainthrop
25 Dec 1821
Birstall Yks

[suzard]

Baptism
Betty hemingway
9 May 1824
Dewsbury Yks
Parents Joshua Hemingway/ Peace


there is also a baptism
betty hemingway
25 July 1834
Dewsbury Yks
born 3 July 1832
Parents Robert Hemingway/Sophia -wonder if this is the child of the Widow Sophia Hemingway who lived next door to Joshua and peace in 1851??

Suz

Suz

[WPR]

Thank you Suzard, that is very helpful. I have a copy of the Marriage certificate for Robert Rayner and Betty Hemingway  dated Oct. 13, 1843.  They were both listed as residing in Dewsbury at the time. Joshua Hemingway is listed as Betty's father and Robert Rayner as Robert's father. Joshua is listed as a Clothier and Robert as a Dyer. Betty's mother is not listed, so she may very well have been Peace and not Grace. I'm working from my elderly father's notes that he put together about 25 years ago, so he may have made a mistake in writing Grace. Joshua and Peace had a daughter named Betty who according to the 1841 census was 15 at the time. Her marriage certificate lists her as a spinster in 1843 which seems somewhat ungracious.

I have no record at all of a Daniel Rayner. I have a copy of the birth record of William Wilson Rayner (my Great Grandfather), dated 27 January, 1850 to Robert and Betty Rayner. Robert is listed there as a carpet weaver living in Heckmondurke. I wonder if Mary Hemingway married into another family of Rayners as it was apparently a common name in the area.

What I would like to find out is more information about Robert (married to Betty) and his parents, Robert and I have no record of his mother's name.

Thanks again for the information. You've been most helpful.

W P Rayner

[WPR]

Baptism
Betty hemingway
9 May 1824
Dewsbury Yks
Parents Joshua Hemingway/ Peace

Suz

Suz:

I think we can assume that this Betty Hemingway is my Great Great Grandmother. Joshua and Peace would be my Great Great Great Grandparents. The second Betty would be a separate branch of the Hemingway family.

Paul

[suzard]

I wonder if this is "your" Robert??

1841
Liversedge Birstall Yks
(Dewsbury reg district)
Robert Rayner 45 carpet weaver
Martha 40
Robert 20 carpet weaver
Martha 20
Mary 15
Samuel 6
Sarah 1
all b Yks
Ho107 1291 7 22 3

1851 Robert (junior) is not with the family)
Robert Town
Liversedge Birstill Yks
Robert rayner Head M 60 carpet Weaver Dewsbury Yks
Martha wife 51 Heckmondike Yks
Martha daughter U 30 Worsted power loom weaver Liversedge Yks
Samuel son 16 carpet weaver Dewsbury Yks
Sarah granddaughter 11 scholar Manchester Lancs
Alice granddaughter 5 Liversedge Yks
Charles grndson 5 Liversedge Yks
HO 107 2323 659 40

Cannot find Robert with wife Betty

Daniel Rayner married Mary hemingway in 1850 -they are not to be found in 1851 either???

Suz

[suzard]

.Her marriage certificate lists her as a spinster in 1843 which seems somewhat ungracious.


W P Rayner

Spinster is the normal description of a previously unmarried  female on a marriage cert - just as it is bachelor for a male


Suz

[suzard]

By the way, I don't know if you are aware  1841 census ages of adults 15yrs plus are rounded down to the nearest 5 years

So Betty (in 1841) could be between ages 15-19

Suz