THOMAS HOWE in Sheffield, England

[Mangano]

 It is said that some of the Howe family attended the Roman Catholic church. Don't know if in Great Britain but In America, possibly. They later left and joined the Episcopalian Church.
 After a lack of sympathy after a bout with smallpox in the family,  from the RC Church, Emma Howe's husband William A Wenzell joined the latter.

[msallen]

Jonah Howe, son of Robert (miner of Bradwell) and Mary was bapt in Hope 18/4/1813.
He married Harriet Bocking there 17/4/1837.

There are two candidate marriages for Robert Howe to a Mary in Hope. The first was on 11/6/1805 to Mary Middleton, and the second was on 24/12/1806 to Mary Furness. The Robert in the second was from Castleton (a village about 3 or 4 miles away). Only one of these couples appears to have had children bapt in the parish, so it would appear likely (but far from certain) that the second couple went to live in Castleton, thus making the first marriage your Robert.

Robert (70, Lead miner, born Bradwell) & Mary (65, born Bradwell) were in Bradwell in 1851 with a grandaughter Alice Howe, age 16. Alice would appear to be Jonah's daughter who is on the 1841 census but missing from his household in 1851.

Taking Robert's age from that census he would seem likely to be the Robert Howe son of Thomas and Alice of Bradwell, bapt in Hope 22/10/1780. Thomas How and Alice Middleton had married there 13/7/1778.

There were How(e)s in Bradwell from at least the mid 1600s.

[Mangano]

Could both Robert Howe and his father Thomas Howe have married a girl with the same last name: Middleton?

[Mangano]

 But with my great-great grandfather Thomas Howe....I have him as marrying Hannah Taylor on the 6th of March 1870 at St. Phillips Church in Sheffield, England....can this be backed up with records?

[msallen]

There's no reason why a Howe shouldn't marry a Middleton in two consecutive generations - especially as both were fairly common names in that parish at the time. I have similar happening in my ancestry a number of times (sometimes they were closely related, sometimes they weren't).

As for backing up the marriage with records - yes I'm sure it can be (as long as it really happened ! ). You'll either need to get the marriage cert or check in the parish register. If you ask on the Yorkshire board someone may be able to do a look up in the PR for you.

[Mangano]

There's no reason why a Howe shouldn't marry a Middleton in two consecutive generations - especially as both were fairly common names in that parish at the time. I have similar happening in my ancestry a number of times (sometimes they were closely related, sometimes they weren't).

I've had that happen in my family history as well. In the town where I live, the name Berenato is like Smith in other places. I have the name come up in 2 different branches of the Mangano family, plus others have intermarried with that name.

[Tuppie]

[quote  But with my great-great grandfather Thomas Howe....I have him as marrying Hannah Taylor on the 6th of March 1870 at St. Phillips Church in Sheffield, England....can this be backed up with records?

The marriage is transcribed on www.sheffieldindexers.com

HOWE, Thomas (Bachelor, age Full, Plate Layer, residing at Portland Strreet).
    Married Hannah TAYLOR, on March 6, 1870, by Henry James Barton (Banns) at
    St Philips Church, Shalesmoor.  Father's name is John Howe (Farmer).
    Married in the presence of Abraham Howe, Mary Ann Rodgers (mark).

TAYLOR, Hannah (Spinster, age Minor, ~, residing at Portland Strreet).
    Married Thomas HOWE, on March 6, 1870, by Henry James Barton (Banns) at
    St Philips Church, Shalesmoor.  Father's name is William Taylor (Woodman).
    Married in the presence of Abraham Howe, Mary Ann Rodgers (mark).

[Mangano]

Thank you, Tuppie.
We never knew Hannah's father's name before.
With the name followed by(mark) must mean that the person in question could not wrtite...for some reason.
thanks again...

[keyboard86]

Hi this looks to be Hannah Taylor in 1851/61:-

1861 Census

William Taylor 54 Widower occ Woodman b Staveley Derbyshire
Hannah 11 Daughter b Whitwell Derbyshire
George Burrow 11 Boarder b Chesterfield
Elizabeth Burrow 36 Boarder b Bodham, Durham
Residing at High Hill, Whitwell
Census Ref RG09/2422/28/18

1851 Census

William Taylor 39 occ Farm Lab b Staveley Derbyshire
Sarah 40 b Brampton Derbyshire
Peter 15 occ Ag Lab
Ann 12
Sarah 6
Grace 4
Hannah 2
Residing at Whitwell.
All children born Whitwell
Census Ref HO107/2122/532/34

1841 Census

Sarah Taylor 30
George 10
Mary 8
Peter 6
Ann 3
Residing at Whitwell
Census Ref HO107/196/ 10/29/ 23
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