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with so many elderly relatives already recalling their family information to aid their siblings, do you agree that the 100 yr rule should remain in force for the 1911 census to be made available? taking into account that we can already access the bmd cert

yes
30 (25.2%)
no
68 (57.1%)
dont know
3 (2.5%)
with other data available online,i dont see what the fuss is all about
18 (15.1%)

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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #36 on: Friday 12 November 04 19:37 GMT (UK) »
Okay,  I'm going to play devil's advocate here ;).  

YES, I think it should be opened early.  

Or at least those folk who appear on the census and are still alive should be the only people to object.  

I believe the plan is to release the householder returns.  They should not be released early but the enumeration of address, names, ages, occupations should be on the proviso that everyone (or the majority) of folk over the age of 93 agrees to it.  

The reasoning behind this in my mind is that anyone still alive (with very few exceptions) never put their info on voluntarily as they were small children at the time.

The statistics are available now as they are for all census and family history is the only real reason to want to see the 1911 (am I biased  ;D ?)
I don't think government policy should be determine by whether there is an illegitimate child in the family and it has been pointed out BMD is freely available anyway - no father's name is listed for me, I'm not shamed - that's life.  Property records are available now so you can piece it all together anyway the extra info is purely of interest to the family historian - whaaayyayy another Ag Lab!

The X year rule should be to protect people against fraud and if the assessment is that there is no threat from using the 1911 census then hohum let's see where my gggrandfather lived.

And lastly, the exclusion was based on an extension to the 30 yr rule.  Well 100 just ain't pretty as a multiple of 30.  90 is much prettier!

Personally I can wait for 8 years but I'd rather not.

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In my opinion it is clear cut - it should not be released for 100 years as specified at the time of completion.  There are no arguments that can outweigh that.

However I love Pam's idea of asking everyone over 93 if they mind!  I can see this working well - but I'm worried this sort of questioning could worry people of that age so I would make one amendment - they should be accompanied by their parents at all times!  ;D
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #37 on: Friday 12 November 04 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Although i understand the 100 year rule, i don't see what all the fuss is about.

What percentage of people live to be 100?  Not many. On my family tee anyone that was born before 1930 have died, so in my case i would definately not find any living relatives for the 1911 or 1921 census.

And as someone else has pointed out, information is available from elsewhere and i can wait the exta 8 years, but i'd like it now.

May i ask who invented the 100 year rule in the first place? And why100 not 80 or 90?

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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #38 on: Friday 12 November 04 21:05 GMT (UK) »
I would love to have the 1911 census opened. However the Government of the United Kingdom promised it would not be disclosed for 100 years. I would like to see our governments keeping all their pledges - they won't and they don't but I could never encourage a breach. Hopefully one day we will get an honest government.
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #39 on: Friday 12 November 04 22:10 GMT (UK) »
As Hackstaple says, I suppose the fuss is about keeping a simple promise.  The fact that not many people are alive that were made that promise and they are all old by definition, doesn't make that promise any less important.

I don't understand the argument that because the info is avialable elsewhere it should be released anyway - if it really was available then it wouldn't be necessary to release it at all!
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 13 November 04 21:11 GMT (UK) »
I don't understand the argument that because the info is avialable elsewhere it should be released anyway - if it really was available then it wouldn't be necessary to release it at all!

...Because we are creatures of detail.  I know where my grandfather was born in 1903 and I know which town the family lived in but I want to know who the neighbours were.

As I said before though - don't need it, can wait, just WANT it!

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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #41 on: Monday 25 April 05 11:14 BST (UK) »
 :D :D

Let's get up a Petition to send to Government saying that we want the 1911 Census to be available soon.

With so many people into Genealogy these days, the 100 year rule is pure nonsense.

I'm sure if they were made aware of the revenue involved, they'd suddenly have a change of heart.    

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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #42 on: Monday 25 April 05 16:14 BST (UK) »
I second that. you have my vote
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #43 on: Monday 25 April 05 16:41 BST (UK) »
You'll get mine too!
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #44 on: Monday 25 April 05 17:01 BST (UK) »
And mine!

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