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with so many elderly relatives already recalling their family information to aid their siblings, do you agree that the 100 yr rule should remain in force for the 1911 census to be made available? taking into account that we can already access the bmd cert

yes
30 (25.2%)
no
68 (57.1%)
dont know
3 (2.5%)
with other data available online,i dont see what the fuss is all about
18 (15.1%)

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Offline XPhile2868

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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #54 on: Monday 25 April 05 22:01 BST (UK) »
My grandparents are tioo young to have been around for the 1911 census (the two surving are my 72 and 74 year old grandads) and even my great grandparents living siblings are only about 80, 85 - so they werent around either, but if they were alive then, i doubt they would be pleased that the government broke a promise.

Unfortunately, we will have to, and should have to, wait until 2011/2012.
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #55 on: Monday 25 April 05 22:26 BST (UK) »
you can't find a birthplace for your Grandfather ? have you his parents? doesn't it give his father on his marriage cert? what if 1911 doesn't give the info? campaign for 1921? etc.

i have his son and i have his wife, but with a name like William Bailey finding a birth is a nightmare!
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #56 on: Monday 25 April 05 22:45 BST (UK) »
It is my understanding that NO such 100 year rule was made to the people who provided their information in 1911, so how exactly would the government be lying if they released it now.

I say release it and pass on the revenue to the olds/relatives/care homes/hospitals etc responsible for looking after any people who appeared on the census who may still be alive.  At least then the money raised would be put to good use, lord only knows how many of the oldies need it.
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #57 on: Monday 25 April 05 23:33 BST (UK) »
I've read that the 1911 census will have more gaps than the previous victorian censuses due to the change in methods with collecting schedules and no collation on to enumerators booklets.

So regardless of political arguments for and against it may not help you.

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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 17:57 BST (UK) »

i have his son and i have his wife, but with a name like William Bailey finding a birth is a nightmare!
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You could try the old song "Won't you come home, Bill Bailey". :D
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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 18:15 BST (UK) »
I think that the 1911 census should be open.

Reasoning: 

1. There were no assurances of 100-year confidentiality printed on the relevant 1911 census forms although I agree that the forms were marked Strictly Confidential.

2. The entries in the 1911 census include personal information which is public knowledge today (including the name, gender, age, occupation, nationality, birthplace, marital status, and relation to the head of household but no other information) and the release of census information would be unlikely to cause damage or distress to living or deceased.

3. The relevant sections of the 1911 census are likely to refer to some individuals whose personal details can now be lawfully inspected in the 1901 census returns.

4. Similar information is open to inspection after purchasing copies of the relevant birth and marriage certificates or by examining monumental inscriptions locally.

So why not? ???

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Re: 1911 census
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 26 April 05 19:25 BST (UK) »
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There were no assurances of 100-year confidentiality printed on the relevant 1911 census forms

True, but there was also nothing printed as to when the information would be released

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The entries in the 1911 census include personal information which is public knowledge today
Therefore the 1911 census is redundant  :P

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sections of the 1911 census are likely to refer to some individuals
But not all

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Similar information is open to inspection

Therefore the 1911 census is redundant   :P

The reasons supplied by several participants have still failed to convince me and my main concern is that we are so impatient that we if we got the 1911 we would want the '21 next month and the '31 the next etc etc. Exactly the same arguments could be used to even insist on the release of the 2001 returns.

Having said all that IF a 50 or 75 year rule was introduced I would be up there in the queue for information  ;D (who shouted hypocrite at the back  ;D)