McKenzie/Fraser ancestors - problem

[malcy63]

That was a very good thought Monica... I've just checked and Thomas Fraser was born at Upperwood of Poyntzfield in October 1881. His mother Mary is recorded in the 1881 census as living at No ! Upperwood. That looks like fairly conclusive evidence.

I just can't understand why MF was recorded as a widow in the 1891 census!

[MonicaL]

That's great  There is your proof!

Agree, don't understand why Mary Fraser showed as widow in 1891. I assume you have viewed William Fraser's 1892 death entry?

Monica

[malcy63]

WF died at Upperwood, Poyntzfield - so again that's more proof I suppose. His cause of death is cancer which he had for 1 year and 10 months. I suppose its possible Mary left him to live with her daughter and son in law and maybe assumed he had died before the census of 1891??  Its a long shot and would have been a bit callous of her to abandon him if he was dying of cancer!

Malcolm

[MonicaL]

Malcolm, more likely son in law or enumerator made a mistake on the 1891 form I would think! Similar mistakes going on with the double counting of Mary Snr at both households also. Makes for fun research figuring it all out!

Monica 

[malcy63]

Thanks Monica, you've been very helpful. I think I need everything to be "perfect" to include it in my research but also its more difficult living outside Scotland to have access to the records. I plan a trip to Edinburgh next week and possibly again in July to access the records for myself!

I appreciate your input today.

Malcolm

[JESSH]

Hello,
I'm very curious about William Fraser's parents as noted on his 1892 death certificate and am hoping they might be Hugh Fraser and Mary McTavish?   If so I have information to share about the family.

I'm looking for their son William Fraser, born 18 May 1817 Cragan, Kirkhill and there are a lot of William Frasers to try to sort through 

Jessie

[malcy63]

Hello

I'm afraid William's parents are recorded as Hugh Fraser and Margaret Bain. I guess this is not what you wanted to hear.

Malcolm

[JESSH]

Thanks, Malcolm for sending the info so quickly! While I would have liked a 'eureka-it's him', it saves me the disappointment of downloading another certificate that's not right!  Do you mind also telling me who reported William Fraser's death? 

Btw, I also have just seen your tree on ancestry and you call him John William and I wondered about the source of the John? 

In case it's ever useful at least for exclusion purposes, the OPR baptismal record for 'my' William in Kirkhill is "Hugh Fraser Cragan and his spouse Mary MacTavish had a child born the 18th May 1817. Baptised this date (June 4th) named William. Witnesses: the Congregation".  Siblings were Catherine (1812), Frederick (1814), Janet Bethel (1822), and John (1828). First 4 were born in Kirkhill and last in Muir of Ord in Kilmorack.

One other point--in case you hadn't found it, I think this would be his wife Mary Cumming with her family in 1841 in Caiplich, Inverness www.freecen.org.uk/:

Alexr CUMMING, 70, Mason  
William CUMMING, 40, Army Pensioner 
Mary CUMMING, 30 b. England       
Margarat CUMMING, 15 b. England       
Jane CUMMING, 10 b. outside of county
Mary CUMMING, 8 b. outside of county
Alexander CUMMING, 6 b. England
Anne CUMMING, 5 b. England       
William CUMMING, 1

and the baptisms of two siblings is on familysearch, parents William Cummings and Mary:
Margaret Cummings 18 Jan 1826 at Christ Church, Tynemouth, Northumberland
Alexander Cumming 18 Aug 1839 at Church of England, Westbere, Kent, England

Warm regards,
Jessie

[malcy63]

Jessie

William Fraser died at Upperwood, Poyntzfield and the informant was daughter Jane Fraser. The John arose from some confusion on William's daughter Mary's marriage record where she incorrectly (?) records her father's name as John.

This family history business can be very frustrating, can't it??!

Best wishes

Malcolm