sandwich marriage?

[mickmack1942]

I am looking for a marr between a ....
   
   Henry Thompson Irvine......(51c)  aged   22   of london city birth
   Sarah Hudson                     (51c)  aged  25  sandwich

   no known parent for henry.    sarahs father charles hudson.
   in the 51c they were proporting to be marr, might have put a general call for east
   kent and hopefully somebody might spot it......mick

[sorrel45]

I am looking for a marr between a ....
   
   Henry Thompson Irvine......(51c)  aged   22   of london city birth
   Sarah Hudson                     (51c)  aged  25  sandwich

   no known parent for henry.    sarahs father charles hudson.
   in the 51c they were proporting to be marr, might have put a general call for east
   kent and hopefully somebody might spot it......mick

Did you ever get any more information on Henry? He's my wife's great * 2 Grandfather and it's been rather difficult to find out the truth from the tall stories with him.

[Telinlethaed]

Is this him?

Mr. Henry Thompson Irvine has died at Worthing at the age of 101. Son of a London silk mercer, he was educated at Canterbury, and in earlier years was in business as a brewer, first in London and afterwards at Salisbury and Crewkerne. He also carried on the business of tennis racquet manufaturer in the West of England. He was a life-long abstainer, and the curious fact is recorded of him that he was unable to walk until he had reached the age of seven years.
Whitstable Times  and Herne Bay Herald, 29 May 1920, page 2

[Telinlethaed]

COMMITTED TO DORCHESTSER GAOL: Henry Thompson Irvine for embezzlement.
Sherborne Mercury, 15 Dec 1857, Page 3

[Telinlethaed]

You might consider looking at one "James Thompson Irvine" (wife: Mary) as a good match for Henry's father. Henry might even be living with them for the 1841 census. JTIrvine had an interesting story which hit all the papers in 1844-7, and it could be that the "silk mercer" mentioned in the obit had been a bit of an exaggeration. JTI was born c. 1776 and died in February 1847. For all it's worth, Henry's detah cert states 1825-1920, which puts him six years off the 101 mark.

[sorrel45]

Yes, that's the one. Worthing is right place to end up - somewhere I've got a clip of a newspaper article that says some of those things about him (most of which I'm sure are not true).

My mother in law had heard all the stories of him being an instrument maker, so I would guess the tennis racquet idea falls in line with that. He also claimed to be the son of Wellington - the sort of claim that fitted in with all his other stories.

[mickmack1942]

Hi every on , good Christmas one hopes, regarding HTI he was the great grand farther to my wife,
 the line comes down through Ada Violet daughter of, what I know of HTI's early life is pure guess
 work, his upbringing in Sandwich Kent as far as I can see is just as I say guess work, to me he
 just appeared in the 1841 as Henry Thompson no Irvine, is this HTI did he add the Irvine for some
 reason, I am sure he was the son of Arthur Wellesley aka 'Duke of Wellington' the illegitimate son
 to one of Wellesley's 'ladies', if any one knows different do not hold back, any way assuming the
 HT in Sandwich is our man (boy) he was possibly an apprenticed to the chap he was living with
 who was a Cooper by trade, in the 51c he became Henry Irvine, now that is were I am not   altogether happy that Henry Thompson and Henry Irvine are one of the same, but as the 1841
 census was not a reliable source of info because of the law not making it bindingly true, as the
 51 was, you read into it with a very open mind, any way lets assume they are the same, HT (I)
 went on to marry Sarah Hudson and 2 children later he dump her and she then seems to have
 done the same in the Sandwich work house to the children, HT ran off the London's east end,
 and got working for the Glessing family, but to go back to the early days there is a story doing
 the rounds that he was the son of a Silk Mercer in Cheapside, and he had badly deformed legs
 but the Mercer had them corrected, but if that was true he should have shown up in the 41 in
 Cheapside but I have not been able to find him, as I say of the short comings of the 41, I digress,
 assuming HTI married Sarah Hudson where is the record, this were the Wellesly connection comes
 in he married Sarah in the private chapel of the Wellesly family, as the Duke was still alive he died
 in Sept 1852 if there is a record its possibly in there, I have to say this is all conjecture on my part
 and what has been passed to me via my wife and her gran Ada, now as I say if any one knows
 better or with good info, as a foot note as has been noted I to do not believe he died 101 years,
 when he was taken to court and then to Dorchester prison, they would have made every effort
 make sure all of the supplied info was correct, so his true age was given at this time, why he
 added a few years is another story for what I have been told.
 a few years is another story

[sorrel45]

Thanks Mick - interesting stuff.

My wife is descended from Bessie Glessing, who after much investigation I discovered calls herself "Bessie Glessing", "Bessie Irvine" and sometimes "Bessie Glessing Irvine" - which makes working out who she is and where quite difficult - though I know she ends up in Ringmer in East Sussex.

[mickmack1942]

   Ada and Bessie were in contact with one another according, she lived in a lane to the south of
   main road through Ringmer, what is now a fairly modern housing estate, if I got it right Bessie
   died in a nursing home in Eastbourne some where, may be wrong on that though.
   HTI, after John Glessing death Henry, Harriet, and Sophia Josephine etc went to Plymouth and
   Mousell !, then HTI ran of with Sophia and lived in many places and I mean many, they lived in
   every Cnty in southern England, that's the reason why the Glessing/Irvine was given in different
   censuses through out, he did not, could not marry Sophia as he thought his 1st wife
   Sarah was still alive, with all the dodgy things he got up to is strange to say the least, why he
   should worry about that, well there you go, the Tennis racquet story came about because
   the Glessings made cat gut for musical instruments, he tried his hand at making the tennis
   thing but due to the competition from abroad they did not make ago of it, the prison thing was
   about him stealing 20 quid or so from the brewers he worked for in Dorchester, there still there
   I believe, he ran of to London and the police found him in about 48 hours, and carted him back
   to Dorchester, how they did that god only knows, teach the police how to do it today, yea right,
   sorry its all a mixed up only due to family issues I put it all away, I still get notes from Ancestry
   to say some one is researching one of my trails so I pick up on it to see if there is any thing new,
   so I am trying to rethink all the items etc  that I have uncovered. if I had the time and money
   I would  go after him in a big way, but alas alack lacking in both, but if any one finds any thing
   and posts it, I am open minded about it, might make a good detective story