Old IRA Dublin Brigade

[capel street man]

Hello Bob, I checked through my reference books and did not come across a Moylett, do you have any more details ?

CSM

[capel street man]

Hello again Bob, not sure if this is who you are researching, in the excellent book " Michael Collins and the Anglo - Irish War " by J.B.E.Hittle a Patrick Moylett is mentioned

Quote - "  Chicago Tribune reporter John Steele and London based Irish businessman PATRICK MOYLETT, who acted unofficially for the cabinet, began shuttling back and forth between Lloyd George and Griffith "  un - quote

[Duffy C]

Sorry I may have been mistaken. He may have been a part of the Sein Finn instead! Thank you anyway!

[tvpetre]

Hello CSM

I have got information back from Renmore in the form of a letter my Grandfather Peter Smyth wrote in application for a service medal. in this he states he never applied for a pension
He states he joined D Company Batt 4 Dublin Brigade in Oct. 1917.
he goes on to say he trained in firearms at Larkfield Kimmage, Sand pits Crumlin and the Brick works on the Canal.
He carried police duties during the general election Helped in Filming of brirish colaberations and was one of the rifle guard at Thomas Ash's Funeral.
for 1919 he just states he carried out such duties as allocated to him
for 1920 he states Outpost deputy during raids for arms.
He was in the 26th. Batt ( Reserve )in 1941 when he made the application.
Military Archive in Rathmines wrote stating that there records were not complete and had no record on my grandfather.

Can anyone make sense of all of this.

Thanks
TVPetre

[capel street man]

Hello typetre.

You have made good progress and have uncovered some interesting facts and information on your grandfather, Peter Smyth.

He was a member of "D" Co, 4th Battalion, Dublin Brigade and joined in October, 1917

The Tenth Sinn Fein Ard - Fheis was held in the Mansion House on 25 - 26 October 1917, approx 1700 delegates attended, including members from 1009 Sinn Fein Clubs, the approx membership was almost 250,000.
Henry Edward Duke, Chief Secretary for Ireland 1916 - 1918 estimated that Sinn Feins membership was approx 200,000 in October 1917 ( ref - J.E.A.Connell jnr - Dublin in Rebellion )

Your grandfather could have attended and joined the Volunteers at the Ard - Fheis or because his friends had joined.

It was not unusual for volunteers to carry out  police and security duties during elections.

If he was on rifle and guard duty at Thomas Ash,s funeral, that would have been a great honour

Not sure what to make of - "Filming of British Collaborations", unless he was carrying out police and security duties.

You should be able to find more information on the Reserve Force in 1941, they asked for old volunteers to join this Defence Force, there should be records on the 26th Batt, if not on your grandfather.

It was also not unusual at the time not to apply for a pension because there was still a deep political divide amongst  pro and anti - treaty volunteers, and some may have tried and gave up or they couldn't, be bothered.

Your grandfather, from his records, would have qualified for a pension, I do not think you will ever find out the reason why he didn,t apply, unless there is anyone alive of your relatives you can contact who might be able to shed some light.

You could also look through the posts or enquire for more information on anyone else who had a family member in " D"Co. 4th Battalion, Dublin Brigade.

Good luck

CSM

[myluck!]

I found a relative of my OH that I haven't investigated fully as yet Tobias Leo Fox (ka Leo)
From information from his nephew he was involved in much and jailed in Kilmanham; he has a postcard from there of him; but he supposedly "faught for his country, not for a pension"; he died in the 1950s in relatively hard times.

He never applied for pension

[capel street man]

Hello myluck, you are quite right in what you say, there was many an Irishman and woman who were entitled to a pension but, who were proud people and did not apply, no matter how difficult or hard their lives had become, the extra few punts would have made a difference in their final years, and I respect their decision.

God Bless them all.

CSM

[CRUMLIN]

Hi My father,  Charles Morris, 4th Battalion, No 1 Dublin Brigade, g company was interned in Gormanstown and Ballykinlar 1921/1923. I have two sets of diary's with plenty of names of fellow internees which I will put up on here when I get use to attachments. Hope this one helps.

[watchman1]

Hi My father,  Charles Morris, 4th Battalion, No 1 Dublin Brigade, g company was interned in Gormanstown and Ballykinlar 1921/1923. I have two sets of diary's with plenty of names of fellow internees which I will put up on here when I get use to attachments. Hope this one helps.

Any chance of you putting up the reverse side of the 4th. Batt. memoriam card? Thanks.