Old IRA Dublin Brigade

[IrishMedals]

Thanks for that; really interesting.  I had no idea that the rate was so low.  Naively i thought that you either qualified or you didn't and that was the end of it.  Well, that puts it into context now; maybe it wasn't that there was discrimination based upon Francis being in an anti-treaty unit, it was just that he was in the 90% of people who applied that didn't succeed.  On the rejection papers for Francis it says that he wasn't a person to whom the act (the 1934 Act) applied and there is a "code" in brackets after it "R21".  Does anyone know what that means (if anything)?

You can look up all the Army Pension Acts, I think they are all on line now, it is not what you would call a right riveting read but if you wade through them you might find exactly what R21 is. It was very much a case of you qualified or you didn’t but if you read all the acts from 1924 up to 1934 it was difficult to know if you qualified or not, from some of the applications I have read I think people applied in hope rather than any certain knowledge that they did qualify. 

[IrishMedals]

Its weird the way they did the pensions,In My great uncles case, they gave him no service from 1917 till 1919, they awarded 2 years service for a one year period from 1921-1922, they awarded him 2 years service for 9 months during the civil war, with other bits & bobs he got  a 7 years service pension. It seems he got nothing for his years in C coy 4th batt & a little for his service in the engineers, but for extra for ASU & Squad service & extra for civil war service !

The years service awarded were for calculating what percentage of a pension you great uncle would get so he could be awarded more years than he actually served for a particular period. I think the period for a full pension was 35 years so you’re relative would have got one fifth of a pension for his seven years service. You got more years for pension purposes if you served in time of combat so he would have got extra years for his time with the Squad and the Civil War and so on. As far as I can remember 1917 and 1918 had no qualifying periods.

[patrick0169]

Hi gary, Yes I do have a scanner. What do you need?

Pat

[troymaclure]

Does Any one out there know how i go about finding out about a distant relative who is dead now by the name of Augustine Dooley (Gus) he was supposedly either involved in the rising or the civil war or maybe both he was in the old IRA as far as i know and lived across the road from bolands mills at the time of the rising I seen his medal years ago and as far as i can remember it looks like the commerative rising medal they gave out in 1941 this is all the info i have sorry any info at all would be great

[mrswomans]

This is a great thread, I have learned so much, explains why my grand-daa was heard of, he was anti-treaty, I wonder how many of their applications got lost in the post?

Gary, can't believe I stumbled accross someone who had someone in C Coy the 4th Batt.  This is the one John Nolan, my grand-dad was in and later the 26 Battalion (during the emergency).  Have you any info on the men in C COy, 4th Batt, I'd be really appreciative if you could tell me anything?
Regards

[mrswomans]

Sorry that should have been 'wasn't' heard of not 'was'!

[Gary Deering]

Hi, MY Great Uncle was in C coy 4th Battalion,The best thing to do if your looking for informaion on them is look at withness statements from men who served in that Coy.Jim Harpur is one & your in luck his withness statement is online. just a snippet about C Coy heres the link. http://www.peteconnolly.co.uk/blog/wordpress/jim-harpurs-recollections/jim-harpurs-recollections-part-1/

[troymaclure]

Thanks for that Link gary absolutly fascinating recollection unfortunatly gussy dooley wasnt mentioned in it will keep plugging away if you can think of anything else please let me know

troy

[Gary Deering]

Hi Troy, if Gus got a medal then he must have got or applied for a pension, fighting in 1916 for the full week counted as four years service !Rumopur has it that most of the pension stuff from 1916 will be online soon, but with all the cut backs we might not be able to get copys of apllications etc soon.