Old IRA Dublin Brigade

[corisande]

According to T Ryle Dwyer's book on the Squad, Slattery, Keogh and six men from that company took part in the killing of Mahon/Angliss in Mount Street. He mentions Frank Teeling, who was captured, McClean who was also shot but escaped, and Jim Dempsey but that still leaves at least three who entered the house and also a picket outside which captured and killed two Auxiliaries 

My feeling to date on "Upper Mount Street" IRA men is that the following were involved (remember there was a shooting at Lower Mount Street as well, which is the quote above)

• Vinny Byrne in charge, entered Bennett's room
• Herbie Conroy entered Bennett's room
• Frank Saurin entered Bennett's room
• Sean Doyle entered Bennett's room
• ? entered Ames room
• ? entered Ames room
• Tom Ennis. Ames room
• Tom Duffy Ames room
• Michael Lawless by the front door

[corisande]

According to T Ryle Dwyer's book on the Squad, Slattery, Keogh and six men from that company took part in the killing of Mahon/Angliss in Mount Street. He mentions Frank Teeling, who was captured, McClean who was also shot but escaped, and Jim Dempsey but that still leaves at least three who entered the house and also a picket outside which captured and killed two Auxiliaries

And for the IRA men who attacked Lower Mount St. The following IRA men appear to have been involved, and were from E Company, 3rd Battalion. The group appears to have numbered 11 on IRA data. It appears that 5 entered the house and the others were on guard outside

• Tom Keogh, the squad
• Jim Slattery the squad
• Frank Teeling - who was captured
• Denis Begley
• Andy Monaghan
• Billy McLean, hand wound
• Jim Dempsey E company

Can anyone add to this list?

[Magell14]

My Grandfather was in F Company Dublin Brigade Batt II.  His name was Charlie Murphy and he was from the East Wall area.  He was involved in a number of activities and was arrested and imprisoned by the British military at one point.  According to my family he was involved in the Bloody Sunday shootings (the Gresham Hotel) but I have never seen any confirmation of this.  He went on to serve in the CID in Oriel House.  According to our family he was asked to join Oriel House by the anti-treaty side so he could supply information to them. He went to the United States in or about 1923 and returned to Ireland in 1933.

[corisande]

Hi

Welcome to Rootschat

If you follow this link to the Gresham Hotel shootings it gives you an idea of what went on.

I have added your grandfather's name there, and a link to a page on him(nothing there on his page except your remarks at the moment) If you would like to post more info about your grandfather and what you know of the Gresham shootings I would be happy to add it

You will find it difficult to get confirmation outside of the family, as the leader was Paddy Moran, of that group, and he was hanged for another of the shootings that morning - but is is accepted that he did in fact lead the Gresham hotel group

Did your grandfather make one of those historical statements?

[Oaks and Acorns]

Did your grandfather make on of those historical statements?

There's no mention in Joseph E.A. Connell's book of Charlie Murphy making a Witness Statement. There is mention of a Charles Murphy voting against the Treaty 7 Jan 1922.

Have you applied to Renmore for his Old IRA Pension Application? It takes about a year to receivethe files but well worth the wait.

Dara.

[Magell14]

Thanks for those encouraging responses.  No I did not apply to Renmore but I will do so as I know that my grandmother was in receipt of the old IRA pension.  My grandfather died in 1963 but his wife lived to 2001 (aged 99).
 Most of what I learned about Charlie was from her.  I pretty much accepted at face value her account of him being involved in the Gresham shootings which she described in detail.  I recently read an account along the lines described in your linked page and the details are very different.  For one thing the account I was given was that when the IRA men entered the room (I presume Wilde's) they encountered two men.  Charlie told my grandmother that one of these men reached for a gun and he was shot (this man apparently being McCormack) I was told that the policy in assassinations was for all three shooters to fire at the same time if possible so that no-one was certain that their bullet had caused the death.  In Charlie's account one of the hit squad departed from this policy and went up to McCormack and put a number of  bullets into his head.  As I say that is the account I grew up with and it appears to conflict with the accepted version.  Charlie was a local Dublin lad who stayed in touch with his old comrades (F Company had its own unit in the LDF during World War II) Is it possible he made up that story?  I will have to keep researching to put the matter to rest.

[corisande]

I am a fund of detail on the shootings!

The only one that had "two men in a bed" was
http://www.cairogang.com/addresses/mount-st-lower/mount-st.html

and was the killing of Angliss
http://www.cairogang.com/murdered-men/angliss.html

If that was the building he was part of the hit squad, it is odd that that was not the story told in the family, rather than the Gresham Hotel.

It is always possible that there was another man in Wildes room, and that this has never come out. But unlikely

The pension book should be your next stop, as that could give you more details.

I should add that the group who killed Angliss appear to have been 2nd Battalion.

[Magell14]

Thanks for that.

[Magell14]

Corisande

Is that request to Renmore made under the Freedom of Information  Act?