Old IRA Dublin Brigade

[watchman1]

There was a Leo Murray in the ASU , he was dead by the time the ASU list was compiled in the 1940`s/early 50`s which includes WOI & CW dead on the list, Vinnie Byrne & Charlie Dalton would have been around the 19 mark in 1922 so age does not come into it.

Ok Gary, We'll just leave the question open and keep it in mind if anything comes up. I must go back and look at that list, I think it's on page 29

[watchman1]

There was a Leo Murray in the ASU , he was dead by the time the ASU list was compiled in the 1940`s/early 50`s which includes WOI & CW dead on the list, Vinnie Byrne & Charlie Dalton would have been around the 19 mark in 1922 so age does not come into it.

Ok Gary, We'll just leave the question open and keep it in mind if anything comes up. I must go back and look at that list, I think it's on page 29

Gary, Just looked at the list and Leo Murray is there beside the man that died with him -Rodney Murphy. They were killed on 2 September 1922 at Stillorgan.

[Gary Deering]

Watchman that`s great, I did not look for a second ASU man, Just on a footnote if I am reading the right article Free State Intelligence Department – Oriel House on Wikipedia, the whole of the Squad was not attached to Oriel House. If we where to believe all the rubbish that is wrote online, the Squad must have numbered at least 100 men to have been all over the country & shot every prisoner during the Civil War.A lot of the Squad where in the Army & NOT attached to intelligence.In fact an awful lot of the men who where supposed to be in the Squad where never members. 

[watchman1]

Watchman that`s great, I did not look for a second ASU man, Just on a footnote if I am reading the right article Free State Intelligence Department – Oriel House on Wikipedia, the whole of the Squad was not attached to Oriel House. If we where to believe all the rubbish that is wrote online, the Squad must have numbered at least 100 men to have been all over the country & shot every prisoner during the Civil War.A lot of the Squad where in the Army & NOT attached to intelligence.In fact an awful lot of the men who where supposed to be in the Squad where never members. 

Gary, I'm going to go through the ASU list and compare it against my Oriel House list to see if there are any candidates. From memory I can only think of one man-Sean Tumbleton. He would have been about 3rd. in line in Oriel House. I'll get back to you in about two days. Cheers, Watchman1

[watchman1]

Watchman that`s great, I did not look for a second ASU man, Just on a footnote if I am reading the right article Free State Intelligence Department – Oriel House on Wikipedia, the whole of the Squad was not attached to Oriel House. If we where to believe all the rubbish that is wrote online, the Squad must have numbered at least 100 men to have been all over the country & shot every prisoner during the Civil War.A lot of the Squad where in the Army & NOT attached to intelligence.In fact an awful lot of the men who where supposed to be in the Squad where never members. 

Gary, I'm going to go through the ASU list and compare it against my Oriel House list to see if there are any candidates. From memory I can only think of one man-Sean Tumbleton. He would have been about 3rd. in line in Oriel House. I'll get back to you in about two days. Cheers, Watchman1

Gary, me again. I have compared lists and have come up with 8 names for you.
ASU                       Oriel House
                                 
Sean Doyle          John Doyle IO of C Coy. 2nd. Batt. Private
James Hughes     Jim Hughes A Coy 3rd. Battalion. Private (IO in IRP HQ)
Martin Hoare       Martin Hore A Coy 3rd Battalion.Private
Sean Tumbleton Sean Tumbleton- Lieutenant no background info)
Pat Collins           P. Collins HQ Staff IRP Private
J.O'Carroll           J.O'Carroll Brigade Police Officer. Private
Jim Doyle(James) Jim Doyle Lieut. H Coy 4th. Batt. Private
John O'Connor    John O'Connor Unattached. Worked with IO of A Coy 1st. Battalion Private

[yaya*]

Hi all,

I'm reading this thread with great interest as I am currently researching my granduncles involvement with the IRA -he received a gun salute and had his coffin draped at his funeral however beyond that we know very little about what he did. I have applied for pension application records but I'll be waiting a long while before I receive them.

His name was Patrick fitzgerald.
I was interested to see mention of pearse street as he owned a pub on pearse street in the 1930s/1940s (fitzgeralds) which was supposed to have been very popular with IRA members?


I'm interested to hear if his name pops up on any of your records.

[capel street man]

Hello yaya*, have you ever checked the Witness Statements held in the N.A. Bishop Street, Dublin ?
The following Fitzgerald's made W.S., perhaps one of them could be related to Patrick.

1) George Fitzgerald - Dublin
2) J.E.Fitzgerald - Dublin
3) James Fitzgerald - Dublin
4) Theo Fitzgerald - Dublin

There is one W.S. made by a Patrick .P.Fitzgerald from Kerry, the W.S. were made in the late 40,s, early 50,s

If you have not been before, you need I.D. such as a passport, it might be worth a visit just to eliminate them from your research.

Do you know if your relative received any medals ?
Also, you could check the newspapers from the date your relative passed away, to see if he was mentioned or  there is an obituary about him, keep us posted how you get on.

CSM

[dtc]

Dear gkenny
Attached are a couple of extracts from Military Archive Witness Statement WS907 by Larry Nugent which may be of interest if Sean and John McCloskey are the one.
dtc

[sandlotball]

( Here is the list, have not yet been able to determine when it was published. I believe it to be between 1933 & 1940. Any information on any of the men listed - IE; home addresses, occupations, employer, death date - PLEASE POST here.)
 
E. and M. Companies

3rd BATTALION OLD I.R.A.

Dublin No. 1 Brigade - 196 Pearse Street

 - NAMES OF DECEASED MEMBERS -

Thomas Whelan
Noel Lemass
Michael O'Connor
Patrick Doyle
David Irons
Batt O'Connor
Sean Bowden
Dick Hyland
Thomas Cooke
George Ward
John Mansfield
John J. Whelan
Harry McEntee
Phillip Connery
Ritchie Kelly
T. Byrne

E. Conlon
P. Doran
A. Lanigan
Jerry Green
Harold Corrigan
Phillip Byrne
Alf McLoughlin
Joseph O'Neill
Frank Jackson
Jack McGowan
Patrick Murphy
Thomas McDonnel
Nicholas Byrne

Larry Murphy
Mathew Tannam
Joseph Rochford
William Henry
Peter Blackburn
Frank McGrath
J. Reilly
M. McCaura
J.J. Whelan
Charles Kavanagh
Miceal de Burca
J. Moran
Bernard Culligan
John Hyland
James Kearns


- I am particularly interested in the names in bold print -

Its been quite some time since I originaly posted this list & the thread has become over, the 4 years, a fantastic place for people to post  & compare notes.  It's been a learning expierience following it. Now that some of the sideways tracts it took have been split off ( they're all interesting), I would like to return to the list.  So I'll post the original in the following post -