Oh my goD I could kiss you all!!!!!!!

Yes that is them! I can't believe it - I have the marriage of William and Sarah and the same as found all those children half of which share names with James's children
And the new zealand connection is what I needed to prove and this is it!
Its obvious that all the info has been put in the wrong way round and thats why I couldn't find any of it! No wonder I was going out of my tiny little mind lol
I can't thank you enough I really can't! It all marries up - grandad had said that there was at least another son older than edward of james' that had died very young so that edward frederick charles (obviously called charles) became the eldest - he is also probably the reason that my grandad (edward's grandson )is called charles as his first name in honor of him.
It all fits and is no longer such a big leap of faith!
I will post in the new zealand section what we have so that anyone looking for james's english crew can find us - or avoid us lol
Once again thank you all for the help!