Samuel HALEY and family, Middlesex

[lizdb]

Is this them in 1861?

RG9 262 37 26

36 Carlisle Street, Bethnal Green

William George 42 Porter bn Bethnal green
Mary wife 39 bn Bethanl gr
Elizabeth 15
Ann 12
Emma 3

another household at same address -

Ann Haley widow 66 laundress bn Surrey Borough

[Maryam]

Hi

1851 Census
HO107 Piece 1542 Folio 278 Page 17
36 Carlile (sic) St, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex

Mary HALEY Head Mar (it looks like Marr !) 56 Charwoman b Borough
Thos Son 23 Labourer b Bethnal Green
John Son 21 Labourer b Bethnal Green

No sign of son Benjamin who was 4 in the 1841 census.

In the 1841 census, her name appears to be Ann, and Ann, Thomas and John are recorded as not born in county, Benjamin bic  

KR
Maryam

[LindseyB]

Sorry both, dodgy internet connection this evening ...

On the '61 the reference is RG 9/262.

It just doesn't seem to sit comfortably together ...

KR

Lindsey

[dawnsh]

A Samuel Haley bachelor married Sarah Martin spinster after banns on 3rd Dec 1816 at St John at Hackney. They appear to have had their children baptised at Tottenham though.

The entry on family search you refer to comes from a transcription made in 1916.

Dawn

[LindseyB]

Hi dawnsh

I'll have another look tomorrow and try and get my head around it all ...

Thanks & regards

Lindsey

[dawnsh]

The 1840 death cert you have is the one registered at Clerkenwell, this Samuel, of Providence Row, was buried on 21st June, aged 64 at St Pancras.

Another Samuel Haley aged 64 of Craven Street was buried on 12th May 1842 at St John the Baptist, Hoxton.

Mary Martha Haley, the 'daughter' you mention married to William George was baptised 3rd October 1819 at St Leonards Shoreditch but her parents were Samuel & Ann Haley and he was a weaver.

The other baptised children of Samuel, a weaver, & Ann are

Sarah Ann bn 1813
Richard Samuel bn 1817
Samuel Joseph bn 1822
John James bn 1827

A possible marriage for Samuel Haley & Ann Lock at St Dunstan Stepney on 25 November 1812.

Dawn

[dawnsh]

The 1840 death cert you have...

Ann Giles is living in the same house as another Haley Family at Providence Row Clerkenwell

HO107 pc 662 / bk 5 / folio 25 / pg5

[LindseyB]

Good morning all,

My husband worked on this part of the tree so I've needed to get myself up to date with it all.

Firstly, the Samuel Haley I have the death certificate for is probably not my SH.

During the various census we've looked at the ladies seem to change their name so we have a mother called Mary and maybe even two daughters both called Mary, possibly one called Mary Martha and the other called Mary Ann.  We have a marriage for Mary Martha marrying William George (25 December 1838) in Stepney.  William George was a shoemaker and Mary Martha a leather worker.  Both gave their address as 30 George Street, Stepney.  Witnesses were Charles Hayday (?) and Ithiel Price Just ().  Two year later when they had William (presumably their first child) they were living at 26 Carlisle Street, Bethnal Green. 

When William's son (Richard William George) married in 1861, a witness was Mary Martha George.  I don't know if it was unusual to have your mother/mother in law witnessing your marriage or not?

We've just been very confused by all the Marys ....

Any idea?

Thanks & regards

Lindsey

[lisabyrne]

i wonder if you could clarify something for me please
i think i am following a similar line, the same line but have confused myself too.

I have John Haley b1830, wife Fanny/ frances
living at 36 Carter street, bethnal green in 1851 with mother Mary ann Haley, charwoman.
brother John Haley same household
anderson family same household.

26 oct 1851 marrid to frances mason. john was a bricklayer, father also JOHN HALEY, a weaver.
address at marriage is 36 Carlisle street (so have same family)
he married by 1861.
in 1861 he is living with wife and children at 5 charles street, bethnal green.
his children born 1853-1864.
one of his daughters was also called Mary Martha b1854!

same address as marriage  in 1871 (36 Carlisle street) is ANN HALEY (i am presuming mother of JOHN).
johns daughters are with her at this address and another grandaughter is also listed  ELIZABETH ANDERSON, widow, age 26.

elizabeth anderson was maiden name GEORGE. therefore your Mary Martha Haley  & william george are daughter and son in law to ANN, Mary then is sister to my john, who named his daughter after her.

now i get confused....

Johns marriage cert said father JOHN weaver.

you have "Mary Martha Haley, the 'daughter' you mention married to William George was baptised 3rd October 1819 at St Leonards Shoreditch but her parents were Samuel & Ann Haley and he was a weaver.

The other baptised children of Samuel, a weaver, & Ann are

Sarah Ann bn 1813
Richard Samuel bn 1817
Samuel Joseph bn 1822
John James bn 1827

A possible marriage for Samuel Haley & Ann Lock at St Dunstan Stepney on 25 November 1812.


could JOHN HALEY, weaver , father of John & Mary Martha also be SAMUEL HALEY, weaver, father of MAry Martha.


i cant find John or samuel as fathers at any of the addresses we have for this branch.

sorry this is long winded, just nt sure how to explain this...

any help would be greatly appreciated.
regards
lisa