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Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« Reply #63 on: Monday 25 February 19 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Exactly

Mary may apparenly, but wrongly have been caught by having moved
She was b 1818 in Dalserf and was married there in 1930
By 1841 she was in Cambusnethan
Her children were born there 1842 to 1850 ( i.e. after Duncan's death, and inc the last one whom she named after his dead father, Duncan )
In 1851 she is in Wishaw

So at the time of Duncan's death in 1849 and her applying for relief, she was in Cambusnethan
It was Cambusnethan who rejected her applicatiion
And on 3rd Jan 1850, her case was considered by the Board of Supervision, and rejected.

I also did wonder if applying under her maiden name, Nichol, was a good idea

BUT from North Lanarkshire today -
I have spoken to my Archive colleagues.  They have searched their index to Poor Relief records but, unfortunately, could not find a match for Mary Bell/Nichol/Nicol.   There are very few entries in the Poor Relief index for the years around 1850.

Thanks for your inputs


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Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« Reply #64 on: Monday 25 February 19 21:10 GMT (UK) »

I also did wonder if applying under her maiden name, Nichol, was a good idea


At that time period it would have been quite normal for a widow to revert to her maiden name (even today in Scots law a woman simply "adopts" her husbands name on marriage and legally she would be referred to under her maiden name and her married name added after this e.g. Mary Nichol OR Bell )

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Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« Reply #65 on: Monday 25 February 19 21:49 GMT (UK) »
She probably didn't "revert" to her maiden surname. It was very common and still is in rural areas today, to call a woman by her maiden name, in a familiar way, almost like the French tu and vous or the German du and sie.  I have been through the poor relief claims for Cam'nethan and Dalziel on countless occasions and have noticed that the Inspectors seem to have known most of the claimants personally, as would be expected in such small parishes (as they were in the early decades of the 19th century) and my impression of the description, for example - "Peter Brown's wife ~ Ann Black" implies that Ann was seldom if ever referred to as "Mrs Brown". Even in widowhood she is called "the widow Brown ~ Ann Black".
The familiarity of the inspectors has sadly led to very little information being recorded in the early claims for these parishes. Parents names etc didn't have to be recorded as the inspector knew the details already!
Also, if Mary, in widowhood, was refused relief by Cam'nethan, it implies that neither she nor her late husband had the qualification necessary to be relieved by that parish. I think (someone will tell me otherwise I'm sure) that she would have been able to claim on her husband's residency in that parish if he had lived there for, I think, seven years. If residency could not be claimed the onus was on the claimant to provide proof of parish of origin for either herself or her late husband.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« Reply #66 on: Wednesday 06 March 19 23:03 GMT (UK) »
Quite, we will never know. But being family, I will make own note on our family tree that Mary held her head high, and 8 years later,at the age of 39, remarried and started a second family ( Beattie ) in Cambusnethan. Well done, granny's granny. And Duncan, the name Bell was remembered in the  family, and was the middle name of my aunt.
And thanks last weekend to the helpful staff in Wishaw library and Motherwell heritage centre.


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Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« Reply #67 on: Thursday 07 March 19 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Further - from another site -
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Scotland/
Click on Poor Laws / Scotland / scroll down to 1845 poor law act - "able-bodied were exempt"

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Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« Reply #68 on: Friday 08 March 19 10:59 GMT (UK) »
A wee bitty more, if of interest to anyone
Mary Nicol/Bell remarried in Cambusnethan in 1857 Thomas Beattie
Thomas was born Girvan along with Jean Sarah James John and William
Their father was James Beattie
Their mother was Esther McChesney who was b Ireland abt 1791
Mary already had a family of six, but went on to have two more children with her second husband
They were Thomas and James Beattie
Mary's first family of Bells appear to be scattered to the winds, other than her last child, Duncan jnr, who remained in Cambusnethan.
The one who became my great-granny, Catherine, pops up in Carnwath, but was back in Cambusbunethan to marry John Hutcheson in 1869
The story then moves on to Carluke

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Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« Reply #69 on: Friday 08 March 19 17:29 GMT (UK) »
There is a burial record for Thomas in Cambusnethan Cemetery.

THOMAS BEATIE. Occupation - barber. (Pauper).
Died Motherwell Poorhouse.
Parents - James Beatie & Esther McChesney.
interred in common ground on 13th January 1879.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« Reply #70 on: Friday 08 March 19 23:16 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that. When he married in 1857 he was a coal miner. Sounds as though he was injured.
Last week was the first time I had ever set foot in Wishaw. I travel N-S-N at least one a year. Next time I shall make a point of stopping at the cemetery

I'm not really expecting an answer - What happened to Mary (Nicol/Bell/Beattie) ?

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A few years later we started to get orders from China - to spec NCB295.

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Re: KIRKHILL BURIAL GROUND - CAMBUSNETHAN PARISH
« Reply #71 on: Saturday 09 March 19 00:44 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, for the burial details of Thomas Beatie, I should have included his age and marital status.

Aged 63 years. Married.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.