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Re: Doaks near Ballynagarrick
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 03 May 11 11:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks for finding that- I think Martha's father was the Joseph Doak listed in the McCutcheon household 1901 and 1911.
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Re: Doaks near Ballynagarrick
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 03 May 11 11:47 BST (UK) »
Another bit I'm trying to figure out-
Sarah's son Samuel Edmund b. July 13, 1882 is the only child who definitely has a birth certificate.  He was boarding with Martha (Doak) McCutcheon in 1901 and claimed she was his mother when emigrating. Martha  looks like the dau of Valentine Doak.  One of Martha's descendents was checking Samuel Edmund's baptism record, I think.

In 1901 a Samuel Doak and family are listed-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Tullylish/Ballynagamick/1243825
Probate of the Will of Samuel Dock late of Ballynagarick County Down Farmer who died 16 March 1908 granted at Belfast to Joseph Cairns Farmer and Samuel Edmund Doak Mill Worker. Will mentions wife Martha, daughters Hannah Martha & Minnie Anna, son Samuel Edmund (executor).
In 1901 Samuel's son "Edmund" in living at home. His mother's name was Martha which possibly has been confused with Martha (Doak) McCutcheon.

A Samuel E. Doak went to Canada from Belfast in 1927.
In 1911 census there are 2 Samuel Doaks (born Co.Down areounf the same age)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Tullylish/Ballymacanallen/252613
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Lisburn_Avenue/153778
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Re: Doaks near Ballynagarrick
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 03 May 11 16:23 BST (UK) »
Valentine had children Martha and Joseph born elsewhere and of the right age, which had me thinking they were involved.  The problem of referring to Joseph and Samuel Edmund as boarders was an issue- were they close relatives or family?  That Valentine did not mention Martha in his will could be explained by her being married.  I am still struggling with my computer to get into PRONI wills, but yesterday saw that Alexander and then Samuel were offered property if they would return to live in the home. 

However, Martha McCutcheon having father Joseph sounds right given her son's name and is very valuable. 

Samuel Edmond who went to Canada to his sister is the man born a year before in 1881.  He is on Rootsweb, son of Samuel and Martha (Maxwell) Doak and marrying twice in Belfast.  He is Samuel one place and Edmond another.   Samuel, the father, has parents Alexander and Jane.  Dau Martha married James Anderson and lived in Gilford. The close naming in the families is amazing as Edmond was rarely used.  I am hoping to find why it exists, the name and the relationship.

The Sarah who lives with Elizabeth in 1901 seems to be Sarah, the mother of Alexander, Sam Edmond, etc.  At least that Elizabeth looks the same age as the one born in 1884 per her NY obituary.  She is listed as female in the civil records I think.  I can probably order that as well as Samuel Edmund's.  Only the 1882 birth record for Samuel Edmond is definitely a record for this family which would give Sarah's last name.

Sarah is about 50 (Doak dates are often off)  and would have married about 1870 and the birthyear of the oldest child I know is 1875.  If Sarah is 50, that puts the date of father Joseph's marriage close to or before 1850 which means it is not in civil records.  However, Sarah's marriage should be and she might be using a middle name.  Her husband, if dead,  would have died between 1883 and 1901 and also may be using his middle name.  I haven't checked that out. 

I have a list of local Doak marriages, but didn't track ones like Valentine's who was moving around.  I have looked for Joseph/Sarah marriages elsewhere in Ireland, but not found anything. 

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Re: Doaks near Ballynagarrick
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 03 May 11 17:02 BST (UK) »
If Sarah is 50, that puts the date of father Joseph's marriage close to or before 1850 which means it is not in civil records.
Civil registration of non-catholic marriages stered in 1845.
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Re: Doaks near Ballynagarrick
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 May 11 01:38 BST (UK) »
You are right, it is possible it can be found.  The church records date to 1833ish and are filled with Doaks.  They might be a better source, but I was told they all have the same names and the situation is very difficult.

I've looked at the Doak tree on-line and it differs from my portions of Wilson tree and the tree of Job Doak's family.  I think the owner lumped names with similar dates more than other people did.  For instance Margaret (Sands) Doak is not buried in Amsterdam in 1914, but Margaret N. Doak was  though  both were married to James Doak born about 1832 to father John.   

Family researchers thought John, son of John and brother to Job was John 1818-1882  with children in the will  William and farmer Joseph b. 1840 and dau Ann Jane (Doak) McMurray (note this correction to the on-line tree) and probably Margaret (Doak) Spence.  Wm married Margaretta Elliott.   I don't know this Joseph's wife. 

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Re: Doaks near Ballynagarrick
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 28 September 19 17:30 BST (UK) »
I am not sure if I can be of any help, however, I am the grandson of Elizabeth Doak mentioned in this chain of replies.  I can confirm that she died in 1968 in Amsterdam, NY and was the wife of John Terry.
They were married on March 4, 1915.