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Offline nudge67

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Lieutenant-Corporal?
« on: Monday 02 May 11 01:00 BST (UK) »
While reviewing the war record of one of my Anzacs, I came across two references to the rank Lieutenant-Corporal. Has anyone come across this rank before? The records state that he was a Lance-Corporal, promoted to Lieutenant-Corporal, before being made Acting Corporal in the field.

Is there an equyivalent rank today?

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nudge
NSW Convict 1836: Peter WIFFIN (alias VIVIAN)
VDL Convict 1841: Richard REES
SA Pioneers (<1847): Hornsby, Wallis, Willoughby, Floate, Mills, Chesson, Degenhardt.
SA Old Colonists (<1857): Messenger, Tyler, McFeat, Ladner, Edwards, Cassidy, Rhodes, Shaw, Waye, Sibly.
SA Colonists (<1901): Jones, Pike, Bowyer, Davey.

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Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 May 11 08:30 BST (UK) »
There has never been a rank of Lieutenant-Corporal. The National Archives has three entries for it, and in those that can be checked it is a typo for Lance Corporal. As it is in some web pages for Lance Corporal Ben Hyde, one of the six recaps murdered in Iraq.

PS..just seen the reference to ANZAC. In WW1 they should have followed the British pattern, but cannot be sure. You could try searching their respective national archives and see how many times it appears.

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Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 May 11 10:37 BST (UK) »
As it turns out, what looked like Lieut. in writing I can only describe as a stylised scrawl, turned out to be Temp., after using Picture Manager to enhance the image, and comparing the writing to other examples by the same officer, with the assistance of two ex-military colleagues.

supplementary question - two of my Anzacs were promoted to  "Acting Corporal (E.D.P.)". What does the E.D.P. stand for?

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Nudge
NSW Convict 1836: Peter WIFFIN (alias VIVIAN)
VDL Convict 1841: Richard REES
SA Pioneers (<1847): Hornsby, Wallis, Willoughby, Floate, Mills, Chesson, Degenhardt.
SA Old Colonists (<1857): Messenger, Tyler, McFeat, Ladner, Edwards, Cassidy, Rhodes, Shaw, Waye, Sibly.
SA Colonists (<1901): Jones, Pike, Bowyer, Davey.

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Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 16 May 12 12:18 BST (UK) »
May be way out on this or stating the obvious:

I wld think the rank shld read Lance Corporal??????? A document typo error????
Samuel Rawbone b Wellesbourne 1893 with wife Elsie lived Birmingham, poss, Smethwick, before war.
worked on buses and trams.  hve compiled Rawbone tree back to 1650 now into 20th cent.  current relatives?  sam ws my uncle.

2. Family of John Hornsby and Catherine b c1807 m c1830 Leominster/Pembridge/Eardisland. Basket makers. then Birmingham 1900s.


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Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 May 12 07:57 BST (UK) »
E.D.P. refers to the serviceman being entitled to Extra Duty Pay. No doubt not a fortune but at least something. Acting Corporal is a rank still in the British Army. One Lance Corporal was promoted to Acting Corporal then killed a few years ago in Afghanistan.

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Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 May 12 14:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Nudge:  Your surname interest Hornsby NSW c1850s.

Could you enlarge on this family and/or give first names of males. 
Bus4547:   A Hornsby with antecedents in that area same time.
Samuel Rawbone b Wellesbourne 1893 with wife Elsie lived Birmingham, poss, Smethwick, before war.
worked on buses and trams.  hve compiled Rawbone tree back to 1650 now into 20th cent.  current relatives?  sam ws my uncle.

2. Family of John Hornsby and Catherine b c1807 m c1830 Leominster/Pembridge/Eardisland. Basket makers. then Birmingham 1900s.