Fox's from Leciestershire - 1860's

[sweitz3]

Looking for any information on James Fox, born 04/30/1861 in Leciestershire.  Son of "Fox & Hanna".  This is all I have.  He married Elizabeth Grant, 08/02/1886 in Leciesterchire.  Family moved to Philadelphia.  Fox's, Grant's, Weston's, Walker's, and Rodger's...... all in knitting profession.  Dixon's too!

Can anyone help?

[Tati]

Hi Sweitz3,

Is this the family in 1901 - James born Barrow on Soar?

1901
RG13/3005 75 9
Leicester Formerly St Mary, Leicestershire
95 Durham St
James Fox,  head, 39, Frame Work Knitter, b. Barrow on Soar
Elizabeth, wife, 35, Shoe Machinist, b. Leicester
Hannah E, dau, 14, Hosiery Counter Girl, b. do.
Priscilla, dau, 12, b. do.
James, son, 10, b. do.
Thomas, son, 8, b. do.
Ethel M, dau, 4, b. do.

I have a feeling that this could be him in earlier censuses:

1871
RG10/3274 48 14
Leicester St Margaret
Russell Street
James Cox, head, 50, Frame Work Kniter, b. Thurmaston
Caroline, wife, 46, b. do.
George, son, 21, Frame Work Knitter, b. do.
James, son, 9, Winder Worsted, b. Barrow on Soar
Priscilla, dau, 15, Cigar Maker, b. Thurmaston
William, son, 4, scholar, b. Barrow on Soar
Elizabeth, dau, 6 mo, b. Thurmaston

Although the above family are Cox in 1871, 1861 shows them as Fox and mum is Ann, a variant of Hannah (and indeed she's Hannah in 1851):

1861
RG9/2279 32 23
Barrow upon Soar, Leicestershire
South Street
James Fox, head, 40, Stocking Frame Work Knitter, b. Thurmaston
Ann, wife, 38, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 17, Stocking Frame Work Knitter, b. do.
George, son, 12, Winder Worsted, b. do.
Ann, dau, 8, scholar, b. do.
Priscilla, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
+ 2 lodgers named Samuel Harput? and Thomas White

 

[Tati]

I'm having trouble spotting the family in 1881.
Priscilla is here, staying with her now married sister:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0d0g/

[sweitz3]

Tati;

Yes!  This is him.  My notes from my Grandmother Gertrude Elizabeth Fox,[Born, 03/24/1902, Leicester], insist her Father was from Barrow on Soar.  I do not know where that is, this is him.  The Russel Street address is also noted by my Grandmother.

This is great!  I hope to be able to follow the Fox's back some more.  My Grandmother said that she, her Mother and others came to America on the "white star line...she did not like the trip...stormy!

I will check on Priscilla..I have some pic's pf her friends...
Thank you for this info.  I am in your debt.
sewitz3

[Tati]

My pleasure 

It would be useful to get hold of the marriage certificate for James Cox Fox and Elizabeth Grant, to confirm that James' father was James.

In the mean time, here are James and Hannah in 1851:

1851
HO107/2087 678 36
South Thurmaston, Leicestershire
James Fox, head, 31, Frame Work Knitter, b. Thurmaston
Hannah, wife, 29, Frame Work Knitter, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
George, son, 2, scholar, b. do.

2 doors away, we have a Fox family old enough to be James' parents - just posting in case they turn out to be related:

James Fox, head, 63, Frame Work Knitter, b. Thurmaston
Sarah, wife, 61, FWK, b. do.
Thomas, son, unm, 20, FWK, b. do.
George, son, unm, 17, FWK, b. do.

FreeBMD www.freebmd.org.uk finds a marriage in Barrow upon Soar district (covering Thurmaston) that would fit the age of James and Hannah's oldest daughter nicely:

Dec 1842 Barrow upon Soar 15 75
James Fox - Hannah Pole

[Tati]

1841 seems to confirm that the family found above had a James of the right age

1841
HO107/592/11 13 23
Thurmaston South, Leicestershire
Watts Yard
James Fox, 50, Sock m
Sarah, 45
James, 20
William, 15
Thomas, 9
Charles, 15
George, 6

All born in county. Ages over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 15 in the 1841 census.


A possible Hannah Pole in Thurmaston:

1841
HO107/592/11 18 33
Thurmaston South
Thomas Pole, 45, Sock m
Maria, 55, bot born in county
Thomas, 20
Hannah, 15
Mary, 15
Elizabeth, 13

[sweitz3]

This is Great!   Please understand I am a little slow when it comes to family relations......one wonders why it falls to me to do genealogy, no?  So, please excuse me if I embarrass myself.

Here goes.  (1) so it sure seems that our "James Fox (2)" is located.  His Father, also "James Fox(1)" seems to be next door...exactly where my Grandmother said.  This also seems to confirm who our mysterious "George Fox" [17 in 1851] is, in that he is a younger brother of "James Fox (2)" and now we also have another brother listed as "Thomas." [20 in 1851].

We have some pictures of George Fox, who my Grandmother used to say was always at big meetings in the square....making speeches or preaching.....What was going on in the area at this time?  I should have paid attention in History Class, oh well! 

Here is my Grandmother, Gertrude Elizabeth Fox's Family List:

Father: James Fox, [April 30, 1861]  James Fox & Hannah Pole
Mother: Elizabeth Grant, [October 24, 1866] Arthur Grant & Charlotte Weston

Children:   
Hanna Elizabeth - B. 01/24/1887  Married Harry Cooper
Priscilla - B. 1/26/1998 
James Fox, Jr. - B. 1/27/1891
Thomas Fox - B. 11/27/1892
Florrie Fox - B. 11/22/1894 Leicester - Florrie died January 10, 1896 Leicester
Ethel May - B. 5/23/1897
Edith Elsie - B. 6/18/1899
Gertrude - B. 3/24/1902

Q- What happened to William, [listed 1871 census]?
Q- How can we find Hannah Pole's Family
Q- We have a "Hanna Green" picture, Priscilla's friend?
Q- Would anybody want our present info on the status of the Families?
Q- It seems the Fox's, Grant's, Cooper's, Weston's all were in Philadelphia and involved in the knitting/hosiery mill trade.  Is this of interest to anyone?
Q- Would anyone want pictures of these Family members?

Thank you so much Tati....... this is more progress that I have made in 6 years.  I have info but not confirmation(s)....and now I can look for the Fox's.
We have a lot of info on the Charlotte Weston line if anyone is interested in what happened to Charlotte.

Please call on me if there's anything you need here.  I am in Philadelphia, Pa. and can get most anywhere for research.
Sweitz3

[Tati]

Thanks for the nice offer 

To make sure that the families I found in 1841 belong to you, you might need a few certificates, such as James' birth cert to check his mother's maiden name :
James Fox - Jun 1861 - Barrow Upon Soar 7a 142

Then if the mother is shown as Hannah Pole, the James Fox/Hannah Pole marriage certificate would tell both James' and Hannah's father's names.

As far as William is concerned, this looks like him:

1891
RG12/2529 144 15
St Margaret, Leicestershire
120 Crafton? Street
William Fox, head, 25, Framework Knitter, b. Barrow on Soar
Harriett, wife, 25, Machinist, b. Leicester
Florence, dau, 3, b. do.

1901
RG13/2997 82 20
Leicester Formerly St Margaret, Leicestershire
23 Roslyn Street
William Fox, head, 35, Hosiery Hand (frame work), b. Leicester
Harriett, wife, 35, Shoe Machinist, b. do.

I can't see Florence elsewhere. She might be this girl:
Birth Florence Hannah Fox, Jun 1888, Leicester 7a 279
Death Florence Hannah Fox age 10, Mar 1889 Leicester 7a 132

[Tati]

And here he is in 1881, staying it seems with his older brother George:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0d17/

Just wanted to add

and now we also have another brother listed as "Thomas." [20 in 1851]

Aren't Thomas-age-20-in-1851 and George-age-17-in-1851 the brothers of the James you call James Fox(1)?