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Catholic marriage near Chatham 1838
« on: Thursday 28 April 11 09:25 BST (UK) »
Could anyone suggest where I might find a record of a marriage (or even possibly do a lookup) between Edward Kelly (51st Regiment of Foot) and Ann Derrom on  September 4th, 1838.

Edward was born near Dundalk, Lough, Ireland around 1802 and Ann was born in Queenstown, Lower Canada in 1814.

It is not in the GRO. He was Roman Catholic, so he would probably have been married in a RC church near his barracks in Chatham, Brompton. I don't think that there were too many RC churches in the area at that time.

Many thanks,

Marc Kelly

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Re: Catholic marriage near Chatham 1838
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 April 11 13:57 BST (UK) »
I think the only one was St Michaels the Archangel now in Chatham but originally in Brompton. You can find it on Google. Try emailing them, it worked for me with RC church in Gillingham.

Linda
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Re: Catholic marriage near Chatham 1838
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 April 11 20:46 BST (UK) »
Brompton had its own garrison church called st barnabas, there are some records on the medway city ark website, but not as far back as 1838.
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Re: Catholic marriage near Chatham 1838
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 April 11 01:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your help

Best wishes,

 Marc


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Re: Catholic marriage near Chatham 1838
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 April 11 05:26 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know if Saint Barnabas was built before 1838?

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Marc Kelly

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Re: Catholic marriage near Chatham 1838
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 April 11 14:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Marc :),
     In case you aren't aware your chaps Army records are available.  Cant see any ref to his Marriage but does say he transferred to the 51st to be with his brother. There are 6 pages.There is also a note that he planned to settle in Aukland NZ on discharge from the Army in VanDiemens Land 1846 and was given passage.

The National Archives reference:
 British Army Service Records 1760-1913  WO97 / 648 / 105
 
               
First name(s): Edward
 
Last name: KELLY
 
Calculated year of birth: 1803 
 
Parish of birth: Dundalk
 
Town of birth: Dundalk
 
County of birth: Louth
 
Age at attestation: 19 years
 
Attestation date: 31 May 1822
 
Attestation corps:   
 
Attestation soldier number: 
 
Discharge rank: Serjeant
 
Discharge corps: 51st Foot
 
Discharge soldier number: 934
 
Regards Rog :D ;D
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 All these  Families were Born and Bred in Kent

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Re: Catholic marriage near Chatham 1838
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 30 April 11 00:29 BST (UK) »
Dear Rog,

Thank you very much for your reply.

We have found the Army record which mentions the details that you mentioned. Unfortunately, we seem to be stuck there.

He had three children in Hobart Town 1839 to 1845 and then continued his family in Onehunga (Auckland) New Zealand until he died in 1860.

The items that we cannot find despite searching are:

1. Who was the brother that he went to join in the 51st Reg't (when Edward transferred out of the 10th Reg't)
2. A birth or baptism certificate
3. Whom his parents were and whether they might have been in the military

We were hoping to back-trace from the brother's records.

The marriage certificate is also proving to be very elusive. This may be because Catholic ceremony marriages were unlawful until 1837, so I don't know if it might be that they got married in an Anglican church near Chatham, Brompton Barracks. Derrom is a Huguenot name, so who knows, although her father  and some brothers also ended up in Onehunga, New Zealand, where they mostly had Catholic ceremonies.

Edward and Ann seemed to avoid laying too much information within the Regimental records, probably for their own self-protection.

Do you think that it might be possible to widen the search to include Anglican church records nearby?

Again, thanks everyone for your help. I know how involved this can become.

Best wishes,

Marc Kelly


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Re: Catholic marriage near Chatham 1838
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 30 April 11 12:01 BST (UK) »
Hello Marc

Where did the date for the marriage come from? When I first read your post I assumed it was from the army record. If it was in 1838 it should be in the GRO Index. I checked St Mary's, Chatham Marriage Index 1837-41, which would be the parish church at that time, but no luck. Also no sign in the Medway Marriage Index 1559-1837 which covered most churches in the area in that period. (And no record of any DERROM's either.)

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Re: Catholic marriage near Chatham 1838
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 May 11 04:05 BST (UK) »
Dear all,

The date for the marriage came from the last will of his wife (certified), so I guess it is always possible that it is not correct, although she did travel with him on the Marquess of Hastings when he was on guard duty as a corporal and delivered their first born (by baptism certificate) on the day that the ship arrived in Hobart Town on 18 July 1839

Best wishes,

Marc