Emmanuel SILVER Hobart/Portugal

[wivenhoe]

Tim
            About the details on the BDM certificates - are you quoting information that has been passed on to you or are you looking at the certificates?. If you have the certificates can you give the witnesses for all the marriage certs. that you have. Might be brothers/sisters. What churches - might be where earlier Silver children were baptised.
             Ernest Emanuel Joseph Silver buried 12 Sep 1953 75yrs, Cornelian Bay, also same plot Florence Maud Silver buried 13 Dec 1897 8 months. The death notice in the paper has Florence Maud as youngest daughter of Manuel and Louisa. So there should be one female deceased on Louisa's death certificate for children.
             Death certificate for Louisa should have age at marriage/s - is there just one marriage indicated?. Also birth place?.

Cheers

[malayastar]

thank you

I am looking at certificates when i am quoting Louisa with different names.
Louisa's Death Certificate states there was only 1 marriage at 21 years
The certificate says there is only a male child deceased even though i have Florence Maud Silver dieing on the 16-Dec-1897(death notice)
Louisa's birth place is reported to be Hobart and year 1855 I will work through the witnesses and church names on the marriage certificates

thank you again  Tim

[gregory tree]

Hi Malayastar,

I refer to your post and wonder if you know more about the William Joyce. Specifically if he had a sister Margaret Hannah Joyce and/or if you recognise the photo attached - no name but just says Great Great Grandfather - surname possibilities Gregory/Joyce/Ferris. My father had this photo but the writing on the back was my grandmothers.

My great grandfather was John Samuel Gregory and married Margaret (Maggie) Hannah Joyce 1888 age 19 in Fitzroy Victoria, Australia. I have no birth info on Margaret Hannah but her death in 1925 said she was 56. She was 31 in 1901 when my grandfather was born. Should have been born ~1869/70. Her parents were named as William & Ellen (nee Ferris??) who were married in 1867 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia, so that fits in. In 1872 they had a son William Robert Joyce who would have been 38 in 1910.

I feel better now 

My great Grandmother Ethel May Silver
Born on the 8-Sep-1887
Parents stated as Emmanuel Silver and Louisa Silver formerly Wright

My great Grandmother Ethel May Silver
Married William Joyce on 30_April-1910
Parents stated as Emmanuel Silver and Louisa Mitchell

Thanks Tim

Sorry I'm new to this I hope enough information for you to go on.

[davem76]

Hi

I don't know if this will help. But I spoke to my mother in-law regarding Emanuel Silver who was her Great Grandfather and she was told that she was told he was from Portugal and they think the name had been changed at some stage from Silva or DeSilva (Which could explain his headstone as it has written on it 'Manuel Silva' as I took a photo of it earlier this year when in Tasmania). The reason they changed it as he wanted to blend in as he apparently had tanned skin and dark features. He wasn't to dark so he was able to get away with it but needed to change his name. He just wanted to blend in. I have attached a photo of the headstone.Which this could be right if he jumped ship he was properly trying not to get caught. lol

But this is the story she has been told. I am looking at getting the marriage certificate as apparently his death certificate said he was born in the USA maybe he told people that so who ever registered the death could of put that in and it could be wrong so would be interested to know what is on his marriage certificate so if anyone know please let me know.

Hope this helps with the story behind him being portugese.

[Dundee]

Hi davem76,

The Hobart church registers are online, here is the marriage:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-35345-16969-24?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-984:633601471

Manuel was illiterate so whoever had to write down his name during his lifetime would have written it however they thought was correct, and he would not have been able to tell them any different.

Did the headstone originally have an inscription which has been painted over, or has someone recently put that on there?

Debra 

[Dundee]

One of the marriage witnesses was Emma Jane TRINDER and I think her maiden surname was RODD.  The other witness was her brother, Herbert Charles.

Emma married Francis Silver TRINDER in 1867, and according to family trees online he was born in Portugal c1844.  He was also a seaman.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-35345-2965-76?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-9ZR:1331128051

This naturalisation document might be worth having a look at:

TRINDER, Francis Silver
1870
CSD7/1/39/654
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=6

Debra 

[Dundee]

The informant on the birth reg. for son William Alfred in 1875 was his grandmother, Mary Ann WRIGHT of Harrington Street, Hobart.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-35349-17109-28?cc=2125029&wc=M93C-9HV:n968888109

Debra 

[davem76]

I have found a link to baptisims in Portugal if is for a Manuel Da Silva born in 1952. I am not sure where to go from here as not sure how I can confirm this is our Manuel. as on his head stone it had Manuel Silva and was told the name could have been Da Silva as it was changed.
http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/pesquisa/baptismo/index.php?filho=manuel&pai=silva&mae=&paroquia=&data=1852&livro=

If there is anyone that can help with this that would be great maybe point me in the right direction or thoughts on this being the Emmanuel Silver.

[davem76]

Hi Debra,

Just wondering as he was illiterate could that be why the spelling may have changed as he said it was Da Silva but as he would have had an accent people may have thought it was Silva or Silver not recognising the 'Da' thinking it was his accent and written it how that thought is sounded.

Thanks
Emily