census lookup request please 1871 lanarkshire, scotland

[MonicaL]

Jane Devine aged 28 daughter of father named as simply "Devine" - mother Jane Lambie
occupation field worker?

This is all based on the premise that Margaret Brown gave the correct mothers name on the Poor Law application in 1886.

Might be a little chink of light to confirm that the family you and Maggie had been discussing are the correct family for your Margaret.

This is a snip from the death cert from 1871 for Jane Brown....now with maiden name Ferguson  Her father showing as a William Ferguson. From Jane Devine's marriage cert, likely she was illegitimate? This might go some way to explaining some of the confusion on surnames maybe?

[drew5555]

Looks good Monica

Margaret's daighter, my ancestor born 1883 is called Mary Ferguson Carrick

Do you think Margaret is the one born in 1860 to Jane Viney or is it someone else?

[MonicaL]

I think there is only one Jane from the marriage in 1856 to her death in 1871. Not sure why all the surnames. Your links are with Jane's mother's name of Mary Lambie on both her 1856 marriage to John Brown and then her death, reported by John Brown, in 1871 naming the same mother for her and including likely the reputed father's name of William Ferguson.

Maybe her mother Mary Lambie went on to marry etc and things all got confusing too for her. Next generation down, Margaret, and she too seems to be confused about her mother's maiden name.

If you, I would sit now with all the docs you have on a table and check further all the details including all address etc. It seems the Browns were pretty static around the Bothwell area...which at least is something for a coal mining family!

Just summarising from the thread a little more, from the details Maggie posted previously:

1856: Marriage of John Brown to Jane Devine.
1860: Margaret's birth 3 April 1860, mother showing as Jean Viney. What was the address for the birth?
1861: census for the Browns at Legbranock, Holytown, Bothwell,
1871: just before the census, Jane Brown's death as discussed, with family still at Legbranock.
1871: John, and children, following Jane's recent death, living still in Bothwell
1876: Maggie mentioned a possible death for a John Brown in Bothwell, age 63, in Bothwell. Might be worth checking that now to see if it correct?
1881: Margaret married John Carrick - in Nov I think?

Monica

[drew5555]

All good points Monica. I will review.

On the 1881 marriage for Margaret and John Carrick - noth parents are dead. So 1876 for Jogn seems likely.

1861 - havent seen that address

1860 - birth  I havent seen the actual entry where mother is named as Viney

[MonicaL]

Highlighting again the confusion on surnames for Jane...

She married John Brown in early February 1856 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTT1-Z8Q as you have and then first born daughter is a Mary Brown (maybe called after her mother?) but in this entry, Jane's surname is showing as FORGIE https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ4B-RPR (a ref to Ferguson?).

I must have misunderstood. Maggie made a reference to the 1860 birth that she had seen for Margaret Brown, might have just been from the index. I certainly think it is worth looking at on SP for you now 

Monica

[drew5555]

by 1860 you mean where Viney is the mother?

[MonicaL]

Yes, that is the one.

This is the 1861 census entry we have been looking at for Margaret's family. From earlier:

John Brown 40 coal miner b. Lanarkshire
Jane Brown 32 b. Tyrone, Ireland
John Brown 16
Ann Brown 10
Mary Brown 4...Forgie for mum's maiden name? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ4B-RPR
William Brown 3 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQYV-158
Margaret Brown 1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQHM-P8W
Mary Little 55 visitor Co Tyrone Ireland
Address: Legbranock, Holytown, Bothwell

And 1871, from a while ago from Maggie:

John Brown age 60, born Bothwell Lanarkshire, Miner
Agnes Brown, 20, daughter
Margaret Brown, 10, daughter
Henry Brown 9, son
Thomas Brown 6, son
Catherine Brown 4, daughter
Address: E & G Turnpike Road, Bothwell.

Monica

[drew5555]

ok will go and look on SP for 1860 birth and get back

Many thanks Monica - and to all who posted.

Drew

[drew5555]

Just looked at 1860 birth om SP. Place of birth is Legbrannock. informant John Brown.

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