COMPLETED John WRIGHT family in NSW and Victoria

[tigger88]

John Wright was born in Edenhall, Cumberland in 1817, and came out to Victoria, Australia in 1854 working firstly as a cab driver, and also spent some time on the goldfields. In 1859 he met and married my g-g-grandmother Ellen Magill Roy [who came to Victoria from Antrim, Northern Ireland in 1857 with her sister Mary] in Melbourne. They then proceeded to have 7 children:

Thomas 1860 - ?
William - 1861-1862 [Died @ 10 months old]
Mary Ellen - 1862-1919 [Married Daniel Hisshion]
Hannah - 1864-1900 [Married Robert Hisshion brother to Daniel]
John - 1867 - 1936 [Married Mary Tremain although no marriage record found]
William - 1877 - ?
Denis - 1878 - ?

I have not been able to trace Ellen's death, and have also not been able to find out anything about Thomas, or the two boys born in 1877/78 William and Denis.
I would appreciate any information.
John worked on building the railway line to Sale, Gippsland then went on to help build the railway line from Albury up to Sydney, with Daniel Hisshion. His death certificate states his occupation as 'railway ganger'.

Am especially interested in what happened to the two youngest boy William and Denis. William was still alive when his father died, his name is on the death certificate but of Denis there is no sign.

[majm]

Hi tigger88,

That's quite a gap between the birth of John in 1867 and the next one, William in 1877  ....

You don't mention the year for John's death .... that info may help in searches for William and/or Denis...  Who was in the informant on that d.c. ..... is it likely they would have known the details of all his children?

There's a birth registered in NSW for a Denis Wright, 1879 .... a son to John and Ellen Wright, registered at Albury ... ref 7871 .... a transcript should show info about his parent's marriage and her nee name, to confirm if this is your lad. 

William Wright's likely birth 1877 registered Melbourne, as Wm Wright, a son to Jno Wright and Ellen Roy ref 17012 (you can download Vic BDM images immediately, but you need your plastic card ... save around $1 by using that ref no).
 

JM

[tigger88]

HI jm

Yes it was quite a surprise to find two more boys born to John and Ellen.  We don't really know where John was during those 10 years, but I think he was working on the railway lines so would have been away from his home in Melbourne for long periods of time.

I do have their birth records already thanks for William and Denis which was how I verified that they were the right children.  Interesting that one of the boys was named after his brother who died aged 10 months.

John died in 1902 in Sydney, and his son John Jnr was the informant.  He did not name all the children, Denis is not mentioned at all which makes me wonder if he died very young.  Haven't been able to find a death at all in NSW or Victoria for him.
I was abit stumped when I saw William's name on the death cert as at the time, I did not know about the other children, as I knew that the first William died in Melbourne and was buried with someone else in the Melbourne Cemetery.
Also Thomas is not mentioned on the DC but the others are but only 5 children are accounted for!

I am assuming that John Jnr would have known all his siblings names etc or where they were but who knows!

Be grateful for any snippets of information, it would be great to find Ellen's death cert as they would also give more clues as to the children.   So far she has eluded us.

Lesley

[majm]

Have you ruled out a death for the mother of the first several children and then a re-marriage ....  Ellen (Nellie/Eleanor etc) was quite a popular name in that era...  Have you compared NSW birth certs info with the Vic birth certs info to make sure the same mother in all instances?   That gap is very large, and I would have expected the father to be home on visits at some stage during that gap.   For example on Denis' birth cert does it list all the names of his living siblings, and then state the number of any who did not survive.   I would expect that info to be on NSW b.c. (either transcription or the actual real deal document).  I have that type of information on b.c.s from that era in rural NSW.  These also show the details of when the parents married and the nee name and the occupation of the father etc.   That's how I was able to "prove" a second marriage on one of my NSW lines, and thus confirm that the older siblings were NOT just friends of the family but were in fact members of the family.   

Cheers,  JM

[tigger88]

Hi again

Yes the birth certs I have for the two boys say exactly the same information re parents apart from the fact, the parents lied about their ages!
 The Victorian cert for William states all the children living & dead with the ages of the living the NSW for Denis states the children as 3 males, 2 females, 1 male dead {first William} which is correct as John and Ellen had 7 children.
I thought about the fact of a second marriage but the informant in both cases was the mother and she had the right information re marriage etc [apart from the fact as previously noted that she forgot how old she and John were!]
So as I can't really buy all the death certs for all the Ellen Wrights who died in NSW, not sure how to find her death!
Denis is born, but after that cannot find anything.  The mothers maiden name is also on both certs.

Cheers
Lesley