Griggs family Messing Essex

[erko]

I am trying to link the following: Golding Griggs 1721- 1806 who resided at Messing Essex His son John Golding Griggs also at Messing who died 1839 and Henry Griggs b approximately 1795.

 I am trying to establish if Henry Griggs b 1795 Essex was related to Golding Griggs as he utilised the name Golding as middle name for his son William Golding Griggs and the name was carried through the family for a number of generations.

I am looking for any other children of Golding Griggs apart from John Golding Griggs ( birth date not known)
Any children of John Golding Griggs

A Golding Griggs of Messing married Elizabeth Harley  28th September 1758.

I hope that this message  is not too confusing

Thank you
Jennifer

[helvissa]

Hello Jennifer,

I know this is a bit old, but do you know that they were from Belchamp Otten?

Golding was baptised there on 1st October 1721, son of John & Mary Griggs, and was born on 19 Sep 1721.

Then on 10th Sep 1750, John Griggs & Rose Nunn, both of Belchamp Otten, were married at Halstead, and had two children baptised at Belchamp Otten: John Golden on 12 July 1752 (born 2 July), and Cleer, born 16 Jul and baptised the 22 July 1753.

There is a marriage licence allegation for Cleer Griggs of Belchamp Otten marrying Sarah Mott of Glemsford, Suffolk in 1782. Cleer's wife was buried at Belchamp Otten in 1711.

I think it's Cleer's brother's wife, also Sarah, who was buried at Belchamp Otten in 1710.

Rose was buried at Belchamp Otten in 1768 ("the wife of Mr. Jno. Griggs junior), and Mr. John Griggs senior is buried there in 1770, aged 89 (so born about 1681 - probably Golden's dad? And possibly also John's father as well). "Mary, wife of John Griggs" is buried in Belchamp Otten in 1760 - this is presumably Golden's mother. Then John Griggs is buried in the same place in 1785. There is a will at ERO for a John Griggs of Terling, 1784 - I wonder if he is connected, as the Nunns had links with that area?

Then two more Griggs baptisms in Belchamp Otten: 8th June 1787, Sarah and 4th May 1790 Golding, children of John & Sarah Griggs.

Helen.

[Annette7]

From what I can find, Henry Griggs b.1795 Essex died in Hertfordshire and it appears he was Henry Golding Griggs bp.19/5/1793 Little Waltham, Essex (he states on census he was born Waltham) son of Henry Griggs and Frances Brown.   

This Henry Griggs bp.31/10/1762 Little Waltham, son of Henry Griggs and Margaret Little.

Can't find marriages for Henry/Frances or Henry/Margaret.

Hate searching in Essex in this time period.   Yes, parish records are on SEAX but no help if you don't know what parish events took place in.

The baptism found for Golding Griggs 1721 seems spot on but his parents appear to be John Griggs and Mary Clear married in 1708 Copford, Essex (Boyds Marriage Index).   Clearly the family seems to move around a lot.

Found a marriage 19/10/1637 All Saints, Sudbury, Suffolk between a William Griggs and a Joan Golding.   Perhaps events ultimately lead back to them.

Annette


 

[helvissa]

Ooooh, ta!

I think John Griggs, married to Rose Nunn, could be Golding's brother.

Just looked up the 1708 Copford marriage: Mr. John Griggs and Mrs. Mary Cleer, marrying on 25th June. No abode or marital statuses, but I suspect there's a high chance of there being a marriage licence allegation for them at ERO (there certainly is for John, who married Rose), which would give those. Had a quick look through the Copford baptisms between 1708 and 1715 but couldn't see any for Griggs. So they may not have been from Copford.

(So Cleer Griggs, baptised in 1753, could be named after his grandmother?).

[erko]

Thank you to Helvissa and Annette 7 for all the investigation of this lineo f my family. I did find a possible marriage for Henry Griggs and Frances Brown 19th February 1787 at Boreham Essex. i found this on family search so possibly needs to be checked.

Re henry Griggs and Margaret Little I cannot locate a marriage. Options appear that the surname for Margaret Little ? As there appear to be two other children Ann 25 July 1760 at Little Waltham and Margaret 19 August 1764 at Little waltham. Or these are the children of another Henry and Margaret. It seems strange that on the baptism her name is recorded ie Margaret Little ?

No baptism for this Henry Griggs ie partner of Margaret Little that is a missing link which would establish his link back to William Griggs and Joan Golding.
Again thank you for all your efforts

Jennifer

[helvissa]

This tidbit might be useful....

The Halstead parish register for John Griggs and Rose Nunn says:

10th September 1750. By licence, at Halstead. John GRIGGS, bachelor & Rose NUNN, singlewoman, both of Belchamp Otten

I sent off for their marriage licence allegation and the register is in fact wrong, because Rose was a widow (I tend to think the MLA is more accurate than the register...)

10 Sep 1750. John GRIGGS jnr, singleman, farmer of Belchamp Otten, aged 39 & Rose NUNN, widow of same, aged 30. To marry at Bulmer, Belchamp Otten or Halsted. Bond: John GRIGGS senr of Belchamp Otten, farmer. Witness: J. LOVEKIN

Rose Nunn is the widow of Philip Nunn, and Philip and Rose's daughter, also called Rose, married William Brewster in 1765. William and Rose Brewster had several children, one of whom was baptised Cleer Griggs Brewster. I wondered why they had named their child this, and what the connection was between the Brewster and Griggs families, but that would appear to be the link - Rose had named her son after her half-brother!

Something worth mentioning too - the Brewster pedigree from the Visitation shows that William's sister, Martha, married Robert Andrews of Auberies, Bulmer (which is near Belchamp Otten). You will have seen the image of Robert and Martha's son, also called Robert, because he's the chap in Gainsborough's famous painting, Mr. & Mrs. Andrews:



There's some info on the sitters here which mentions another Nunn family (Robert Andrews jnr had a cousin called William Nunn) - I'm not sure yet how he's related to Philip but I have a suspicion he may well be.

PS: ERO don't have a MLA for John Griggs and Mary Cleer, I'm afraid (they've just got back to me after I asked them to check their index for me).

It does seem that your Golding, bap in 1721, is the younger brother of John, born about 1711 (if his age on his MLA is correct).

[helvissa]

Sorry - re my first reply to this post, I made a hash of the dates:

There is a marriage licence allegation for Cleer Griggs of Belchamp Otten marrying Sarah Mott of Glemsford, Suffolk in 1782. Cleer's wife was buried at Belchamp Otten in 1711.

I think it's Cleer's brother's wife, also Sarah, who was buried at Belchamp Otten in 1710.

I mean, Cleer's wife was buried in 1811, and Cleer's brother's wife was buried in 1810.

[helvissa]

ERO have a will for Thomas Cleer of Copford, 1712.

He mentions various lands, houses and farms in Copford, Fordham and Little Tey etc, and then mentions his family:

his wife was Elizabeth, and he mentions three daughters: Elizabeth, Susan and Ann.

He then mentions "my daughter Griggs" to whom he leaves 1 shilling. No first name, no husband's name, no abode. I don't know if she'd upset him or if her husband was wealthy so he didn't leave anything else (or perhaps had settled some money on her for her marriage initially).

I think "my daughter Griggs" is probably Mary, wife of John Griggs, who married in Copford in 1708.

[erko]

Thank you Helvissa
for all this information. So much to think about. I have actually attended a discussion about that famous painting.