What happened to Wm Scobbie Steele?

[sage]

Hi All,
Wm Steele was born 12 Jun 1871 in Wishaw to parents Thomas Steele (Registrar of Births, Deaths, Marriages) and Agnes Scobbie.

Wm married Agnes Gibb 28 Feb 1895 in Wishaw and in 1901 Agnes Steele (described as married) was living with her mother Annie Gibb in Wishaw and by this time she has two daughters, Annie b 21 Apr 1896 & Winifred b 23 Jun 1900...but where's Wm?  He was a coal salesman but I wasn't sure if that meant he travelled or not.  I didn't find him on a 1901 census and thought perhaps I might find the family reunited in 1911.

...but alas! NO Wm and NO Agnes either...just Annie and Winifred with their grandmother, Annie Gibb.  I've checked S/P for deaths of Wm Steele b 1871/1 in all districts...no match! I've checked for Agnes remarrying in Cambusnethan btwn 1901 & 1911...1 match but not the correct one! I've searched for marriages for the daughters, Annie and Winifred to no avail and I've searched for Wm S Steele on Anc. for likely matches and I don't seem to be having any success in any direction.

Does anyone have any pointers or knowledge of this family that could bring me some insight please?

Cheers, Sage.

[bleckie]

Hi Sage

May be nothing I tried a search on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for a Death for a William Steel* born 1871 +/- 2 years in
Lanark All Districts between 1899 and 1901 you only get 1 hit.

Have you seen this one

Yours Aye
BruceL

[Lodger]

No sign of them in the Cambusnethan burial records up to 1916 (although 1902 - 1905 are missing).
They had a stillborn male child who was buried 7th March 1899, (parents William S. Steele and Agnes Gibb, abode Wishaw). Interred in Section A14. This is one of the oldest parts of the cemetery and there would probably have been other internments before that date.
The only other occupant of A14 that I could find is -
JOHN SOMMERVILLE, schoolteacher, Motherwell, aged 38 years, married.
Parents - John Sommerville and Margaret Marshall.
Interred in A14 on 3rd June 1916.

Perhaps he could have been a son-in-law?

Lodger.

[sage]

Bruce, I'll follow up your lead...thankyou.

Lodger, thanks also for your efforts...John Sommerville was the husband of Agnes Gibb's younger sister, Annie so thanks for the heads-up on that one.

Any other suggestions welcomed!

Sage.

Further digging has revealed a list of passengers arriving back in Britain...Wm, Agnes and Dorothy Steele arrived in Southampton, Eng. on board the 'Ceramic' 12 Dec 1928 and the proposed address in the UK was 'Ainslea', Belhaven Tce, Wishaw, Sct.

They were returning from South Africa.

This is them folks!  The address above is that of Agnes' mother, Annie Gibb at which she died in 1931. 

Thanks all,
Sage.

[Lodger]

Sage,

Many of those old villas are still there on Bellhaven Terrace, Mrs Annie Gibb, Ainslea, 32 Bellhaven Terr; is the householder in the 1925 Wishaw directory.
If you don't live in the area I can check it out for you.

Lodger

[lud]

Hello All
I have a copy of the death certificate for William Steel from Scotlandspeople.gov (as my 3x grandfather is also on it) and here is the info, if it helps,
Parish of Carluke County of Lanark May 27 1875 Stewart St Carluke
William Steel Quarryman single Pauper age 52, Father John Steel carter deceased, Mother Ann Steel m/s Hamilton deceased, informant James Steel brother Stewart Street Carluke.
Cheers
Lud

[Lodger]

Lud,

This can't be the same William Steel. The one Sage is looking for was still alive (and married) in 1899. The one she is looking for wasn't born until 1871, the one you list died aged 52 in 1875! probably a connection though, as they all seem to descend from the Steels of Summerside.

Lodger.

[HubbellGardiner]

Hi sage

I've had a look on Scotlands People and there is a death in 1956 in the county of Lanark for an Agnes Steel (no e on the end) with the other surname of Gibb. Have you seen it? If not it might be worth a look.

Hope this information helps.

Regards,
HubbellGardiner

[sage]

Hi All,

Woke this morning to all these informative messages...thank you for all your input everyone!

Lodger, in 1911 Annie Gibb lived at 32 Belhaven Tce and you say she was still there in 1925. Perhaps the family named the property 'Ainslea' as that is the address given by Wm and Agnes Steele on their return to Wishaw and also on Annie's death record.  Anything further you could find on the family residence I would be most appreciative of...thank you.

I've studied the passenger record again and can confirm that to this question, 'Country of Intended Future Permanent Residence' he answered, 'Other Parts of the British Empire' which infers that the family were only visiting from South Africa and intended to return there.

I know nothing about researching South African records so if there are any folk out there who have Gibb family connections it would be great to hear from you.

Thanks again all,


Sage.