St. Paul's - Arran Quay / Bardin and Curry

[posapete]

I have dug out Margaret's death certificate and it reads Date and place of death 24/11/1919 28, E. Arran Street, Blacksmiths widow. Residence of informant Richard Bardin, Son, Present at death, 3 Palace Street, she was 74 years of age.

[posapete]

Further to Margaret Curry, her death certificate confirms that she was 74 years old at the time of death on 24/11/1919. If this is so Arthur couldn't possibly have been born in 1856 as this would make Margaret 11 years old. The parish records show that Margaret Curry married Patrick Bardin on 11/09/1855 she would have only been 10 years old at the time. It would seem that errors have been made in the records as they just don't add up.

[eadaoin]

Further to Margaret Curry, her death certificate confirms that she was 74 years old at the time of death on 24/11/1919. ....
It would seem that errors have been made in the records as they just don't add up.

my M-I-L died about 20 years ago - the age on her Death Cert was incorrect (she didn't want her new Doctor to know how old she was, so she knocked off a few years!)
This was probably easier to do further back in time.

eadaoin

[posapete]

A riddle that requires assistance :- Margaret Curry married Patrick Bardin on 11/09/1855 at St Pauls Arran Quay Dublin. Margaret died 24/11/1919 at the age of 74 according to her death certificate. I have done an extensive search for any Margaret Curry’s born about 1845 and came across two. One was baptised on 17/05/1838 at St. Michan the other was baptised on 27/02/1844 at St Catherine. I’m inclined to accept 1838 to be the Margaret Curry for two reasons; firstly she would have been 18 years old at the time of her marriage as opposed to 11 if I go in accordance to her death certificate. Secondly St Michan is the church where her and Patricks children were baptised. My next query is that of Arthur Bardin, until his marriage to Theresa Howe at St Michan’s on 16/11/1879 I had no record of his existence. I have search Irish genealogy for some time and his name was not mentioned. Can anyone please assist me on Arthur Bardin’s birth or baptism please?

[shanew147]

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My next query is that of Arthur Bardin, until his marriage to Theresa Howe at St Michan’s on 16/11/1879 I had no record of his existence. I have search Irish genealogy for some time and his name was not mentioned. Can anyone please assist me on Arthur Bardin’s birth or baptism please?

given the date, you would need a baptism record rather than a birth...
do you have any clues as to where Arthur was born - e.g. from census returns ?


S.

[shanew147]

There's a 1911 census return mentioend for an Arthur Bardin mentioned in an earlier post as follows

  Bardin household

Age 55, so born c1856, and he gives his place of birth as 'Dublin City' - so it that's accurate then the IrishGenealogy website is definitely the place to start the search for a baptism. Maybe then RootsIreland, which has transcripts for St. Pauls.

For reference here's a link to that 1879 marriage

  Bardin/Howe marriage, St. Michan RC

parents are Patrick & Margaret Bardin, and Thomas & Mary Howe. Arthur & his parents are both living at Dawsons Row, Dublin.


Shane

[posapete]

Thank you Shane, it would seem that Arthur would have been the eldest 1856 one year after his parents marriage. However his baptism is not mentioned in Irish Genealogy. The first mention of children is that of Mary Bardin almost 10 years after Margaret and Patrick's marriage, there is no mention of Arthur or any may be siblings prior to Mary, then there's no stopping them.

[shanew147]

Were the other children all baptised in St Paul's ?


S.

[posapete]

No, St. Michan