St. Paul's - Arran Quay / Bardin and Curry

[posapete]

My great grandparents Patrick Bardin and Margaret Curry were married in Saint Paul's on 11/09/1855. The certificate I obtained through Roots Ireland states that the father of Patrick and his wife Margaret are not recorded. Can someone suggest what facilites are available to research my ancestors further as I seem to have hit a brick wall.

Moderator Note : Topic split from thread re St. Paul's, Arran Quay - Graveyard

[shanew147]

The details for St. Paul's on RootsIreland are transcripts of parish records, rather than certificates. Since RC marriages were only registered from 1864, there will be no marriage cert as such. Early parish records are often quite basic so dont usually give as much detail as a full cert.

Does the transcript include addresses for the bride and groom or the names on the witnesses ?


Shane

[posapete]

The witness's are Michael Hartigan and Elizabeth Moore. There is no mention of address. Additional information on the Bardin family:-  My great grandparents were Patrick Bardin and Margaret Curry. They married at St Paul’s Arran Quay on 11th September 1855.  My records show that Patrick and Margaret had 7 children, the first child Mary was born 9 years after their marriage on 01/11/1864 followed by Richard Joseph on 28/101869, Margaret Theresa  09/10/1872, Albert Joseph (My Grandfather)  15/01/1875, Christopher 13/11/1877, Mary Kathleen 18/01/1880, Francis 1884 he died 1918.
My grandfather Albert was born at 4 Dawson Row O.U. Patrick Bardin died 22/02/1908 at East Arran St. Dublin Francis his youngest son was present at his death. According to the death certificate Patrick was 68 years old; if he married in 1855 he would only have been 15 at the time.  Margaret Curry his wife died on 24/11/1919 at 28 East Arran Street. Richard their eldest son of 3 Palace Street was present at his mother’s death.

[shanew147]

I would think there could be other children born to the couple before 1864, but since that would be before the start of civil records they would only appear in parish details. It would be worth re-checking www.irishgenealogy.ie for other children after their next update

Do you have the occupation of Patrick Bardin from any of the children's birth certs ?

Depending on the type of occupation or trade he had, it may be possible to trace possible some details of him.

I dont think that Bardin would be that common a surname in Dublin, so it's probably worth following up any other baptisms and marriages with that name to see if you can establish any family groups.  You may also be able to check possible connections to family members by following up on people listed as godparents (sponsors) on baptism records.

Marriages generally took place in the bride's parish, so presumably Margaret was living near to St. Pauls at the time - although there's no easy to tell if that's where she came from originally.


Shane

[posapete]

Thank's Shane, on Patrick's death cert. he is shown as a Blacksmith on his wife's death certificate, her late husband Pastrick was an Engine Driver.   

[shanew147]

A blacksmith might be listed in directories... probably not an engine-driver.

no blacksmiths but there are just four listings for the surname Bardin or similar in Thom's 1852 :

  Patrick Barden, tailor and draper, 3 Palace street
  Mrs. Bardin, size, hair and neat's foot oil factory, 30 Patrick Street
  John Bardon, writing clerk, 6 Grangegorman Lane
  Paul Bardon, writing clerk, 6 Grangegorman Lane

I'll check a few more dates later on...


Shane

[posapete]

Thank's Shane, :- The 1911 census shows Richard Bardin, Patrick's son was living with his family at a house 3 in Palace St. (Royal Exchange, Dublin). His profession Printer Litho. Richard Joseph was born at 1 Walkey Alley. On Richards birth certificate it states the his Father Patrick was an Engine Driver @(looks like :- Richmond Sumali Cisyliuce? Hope you can figure that out Shane.

[shanew147]

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Richard Joseph was born at 1 Walkey Alley. On Richards birth certificate it states the his Father Patrick was an Engine Driver @(looks like :- Richmond Sumali Cisyliuce?
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I would guess possibly something associated with the Richmond complex of buildings - i.e. the Asylum, Hospital or Penitentary.

p.s. As well as railway locomotives, the term Engine driver was used for someone who operated a stationary steam engine - as in one used to provide power to a water pump or to drive machinery.

Do you have an scan of this cert ?

If you could post a small extract of the image maybe someone could decipher the occupation for you..


Shane

[hope1986]

Thank's Shane, :- The 1911 census shows Richard Bardin, Patrick's son was living with his family at a house 3 in Palace St. (Royal Exchange, Dublin). His profession Printer Litho. Richard Joseph was born at 1 Walkey Alley. On Richards birth certificate it states the his Father Patrick was an Engine Driver @(looks like :- Richmond Sumali Cisyliuce? Hope you can figure that out Shane.

Hi just noticed the mention of the Richmond aslyum, it became known as grangegorman in the 1921, heres a link to the webpage if you send them an email they maybe be able to help, just advanced warning since they are all volunteers it can take a while to get a reply
http://grangegorman.ie/Home.html