Marriage at St Ninians

[mitch7532]

A birth certificate I have states that Peter Mitchell married Mary Duncan on 5th June 1857 at Millary? St Ninians.

Firstly I can't read the word in front of St Ninians - any suggestions?

Secondly the IGI shows the date as 24th May 1857. Having researched a few other marriages around that date, I'm presuming that date is a banns date. I can find other marriages around that date where the marriage takes palce a few weeks later in another parish - eg Falkirk & Blackfoot, Perthshire on Scotlandspeople. What I CANT find on SP is Peter & Marys Marriage.

Has anyone come across part of St Ninians marriages being missing?

Thanks

Mitch

[excel]

Have had a look too but can't find it either. The IGI says that it is an extracted record for the localilty listed on the record. Normally that means that a quick search on SP brings it up. I wonder if you could email SP and ask them why it isn't showing up.
I have just tried putting in Mitchell, no forename for the groom and just Mary for the bride. This brings up a marriage in 1857, St Ninians, Stirling. However neither Peter nor Duncan works so not sure what that result means! Sorry, it means nothing as have just found an Archibad Mitchell marrying a Mary Berrie in 1857 so it is likely to be him.

[ev]

hi all 

i wonder if someone has been here before ?
from a tree on rootsweb(for peter mitchell and mary duncan)
"IGI record BUT the whole of this M11488 is missing from scotlandspeople !"

think the IGI batch no. is M114888
i don't know if this means marriage records are missing from SP ?

ev

[andycand]

Hi

In Scotland the LDS have usually filmed up to 1854 from the OPRs of the Church of Scotland and from 1855 to 1875 rhey have filmed the Statutory Registers. If you look at the batch numbers for Stirlingshire on the link below you will see that there are some overlaps.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyStirling.htm#PageTitle
For St Ninians Batch no M114888 are Banns and Marriages transcribed from the C of S OPRs 1820 to 1866 and Batch no M114881 are Marriages transcribed from the Statutory Registers for 1855 to 1875.  Where batches overlap you would expect to see two entries in the IGI, one from the OPR batch and one from the Statutory Register.
For an example look at the marriage between Margaret Mitchell and Campbell Denovan in St Ninians in Feb 1857.
For some reason this isn't the case with Peter Mitchell and Mary Duncan. I can think of a number of possible reasons
1. The Banns were called but the marriage never took place.
2. The couple were married but the marriage was never registered.
3. It was an Irregular marriage. The C of S were at one time supposed to record in the OPR events that took place in the parish by other churches. For example I have two relatives that were christened in the United Presbyterian Church but their births are also recorded in the OPR of the C of S. Irregular marriages, the most well known of which are Gretna Green marriages, don't necessarily appear in the Statutory Registers but whether the C of S note them I'm afraid I don't know.

Your best option would be to access the LDS films of the St Ninian batches and see if they can shed any light on the missing entry.

Batch no M114888 the St Ninian OPRs is on film no 6902159
Batch no M114881 the St Ninian Statutory Register is on film no 6035516

Andy

[mitch7532]

Thanks for your assistance folks.

`excel` I can confirm the Archibald Mitchell - Mary Bertie marriage at St Ninians in 1857 - have looked at that before just in case.

`ev` the note in the family tree has been there a few years, as its my tree. I am currently going through my tree catching up so to speak. I now realise, as confirmed by Andy below, that M114888 is banns AND Marriages, so at least I'm thinking along the right lines.

`andy` thanks. Most interesting. The Groom was of Dunmore Moss North, Parish of Airth & I wonder if the marriage was irregular as I have other marriages that took place in St Andrew, Dunmore (Airth registers) and Carnock House, Canmore (St Ninians registers). So I wonder if the marriage did take place in some obscure location and was simply unregistered?

I will ponder this one further.

Thanks again,

Mitch

[mitch7532]

I have recently purchased another Birth Certificate that confirms the date of marriage as the 5th June 1857 and it is at Milton, St Ninians.

Does anyone know if this is Whins of Milton? And what location in Milton the marriage might have been at?

Thanks

Mitch

[Forfarian]

For St Ninians Batch no M114888 are Banns and Marriages transcribed from the C of S OPRs 1820 to 1866

That is very odd, because all the C of S OPRs were supposed to have been gathered in by the Registrar General in 1855, so it ought not to have been possible for a register to run from 1820 to 1866. I definitely echo Andy's recommendation of looking at the LDS films.

I can think of a number of possible reasons
1. The Banns were called but the marriage never took place.
2. The couple were married but the marriage was never registered.
3. It was an Irregular marriage.

4. They were not actually married at all, but just said they were.

[UNDERTAKER]

Do you know when mary duncan was born as there was a few of them.?


T.

[mitch7532]

Mary DUNCAN was born in St Ninians between 1832-1834, the daughter of James DUNCAN & Janet GILLESPIE. There is no record of her in the OPR though there is for some of her siblings.