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Re: Need help finding a birth. Please help me!
« Reply #9 on: Monday 18 April 11 13:36 BST (UK) »
This site may help https://www.familysearch.org/

Hi Tammy

I have found a marriage on this site for a William Warwick and Elizabeth Meadows
married 2 Feb 1800 St Martins Birmingham

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« Reply #10 on: Monday 18 April 11 14:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the links Cati and Marg!

No Marg, I don't have the marriage certificate but I'll get it.

I accidentally wrote his wife as Jane McKenna (the wife of another John in my tree I'm also working on) but it's Margaret Molloy. I'm going to order John's convict record from the government, hopefully it has something useful in it.

I think the Marriage between a William Warwick and Elizabeth Meadows could very possibly be John's parents. The year fits perfectly. Do you know if Baptism records list the Mother's Maiden name?

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« Reply #11 on: Monday 18 April 11 16:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Tammy

The mother's maiden names are not usually on these records sometime you may come across the odd one, I have found a couple  more records for John

UK Prison Hulk Register stating he was shipped to Australia on the ship the Retribution date received 15 May 1824 date convicted 27 March 1824 at Warwick.

England & Wales Criminal Reg
Date of Trial Lent 1824
Warwickshire
Sentence Death

If this is him he could have been pardoned the death sentence and chosen transportation
it may be a good idea to post on the Australian forum to see if any one there as received any convict records to see what information you get.

Marg


Family History is a Pandora's box if you don't like what you see find a new hobby,only concentrate on the proven facts and not the facts you think you know.
Jenkins, Radnorshire. Herefordshire, Canada
Coley Dudley.
Baston, Cleobury Mortimer.Wolverhampton
Parker Stafford.
Hammond/s Wolverhampton.Shropshire
Duckworth Cheshire.
Proud Walsall.Proud Cape South Africa
Horton Darlaston.
Stanton Walsall.
Tudor. Radnorshire
Pittaway. Droitwich

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« Reply #12 on: Monday 18 April 11 16:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Tammy, parts of Birmingham are in Staffs and parts in Warwickshire.  Baptist's Registered children's births, so his parents names would be listed in the archive, I doubt it would give his mother's name though.  I would email Birmingham Archives and get them to search for 'Warwick' records from Bond Street, they can also send you a print out of William and Elizabeth's Marriage at St Martins, that is in the centre of the Bull Ring.  The archives will charge, but being as you are in Australia, it will be well worth the cost, the email address is:-

archivesxheritage@birminghamxgovxuk

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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 19 April 11 01:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks or the advice and link Linell. I will definitely contact the Birmingham Archives. I don't mind paying.

Marg, his Ticket of leave record says that he was sent to Australia on the Ship Minerva.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchhits.aspx?table=Convict Index&id=65&frm=1&query=Surname:Warwick;Firstname:John

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 19 April 11 07:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Tammy

The Retribution looks like an holding ship before he was transported

The set of Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books dates from 1802 to 1849 and includes the records of almost 200,000 people incarcerated in giant floating prison ships. The collection includes details of each inmate's name, age, the year and place of their conviction and the offence that they allegedly committed, as well as character reports written by prison officers. The hulks, moored on the Thames and in Plymouth Harbour, became an increasingly common form of internment as efforts were made to ease chronic overcrowding in conventional prisons. Each ship held between 200 and 300 inmates and, although many of its passengers were awaiting transportation to Australia, the hulks themselves had been extensively modified and were unable to go to sea. Conditions were often appalling, and one in three inmates are estimated to have died on board. The second newly-available collection features records of more than 4,000 female convicts who were granted parole between 1853 and 1877. Although sentenced to imprisonment or transportation, the lack of space in prison meant they were allowed to walk free.

The set can be searched by the criminal's name, the place and date of their conviction and their estimated age. Images of the records are also available, which feature a range of further details including the apparent crime, terms of sentence, reports on prison behaviour, any letters written by the prisoner and a physical description.

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Duckworth Cheshire.
Proud Walsall.Proud Cape South Africa
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« Reply #15 on: Thursday 21 April 11 07:14 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the information Marg. I had no idea about the prison hulks, it is extremely interesting. Do you have a link for the UK Prison Hulk Register records?

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 21 April 11 07:32 BST (UK) »
Good morning Tammy I will send you a private message about these records shortly

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Family History is a Pandora's box if you don't like what you see find a new hobby,only concentrate on the proven facts and not the facts you think you know.
Jenkins, Radnorshire. Herefordshire, Canada
Coley Dudley.
Baston, Cleobury Mortimer.Wolverhampton
Parker Stafford.
Hammond/s Wolverhampton.Shropshire
Duckworth Cheshire.
Proud Walsall.Proud Cape South Africa
Horton Darlaston.
Stanton Walsall.
Tudor. Radnorshire
Pittaway. Droitwich

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« Reply #17 on: Thursday 24 November 11 01:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi I am a direct decendant of Jonh Warwick, convict from the Minerva through my Grandmothers side.
My father started the Warwick family history in the early 1970s. He had a search done in Birmingham & surrounds at that time & came up with a few possibilities. However he deducted it was William Warwick & Mary Westbury. Though I have read elsewhere his parents were John Warwick & Elizabeth Lions.

Ian Murrell