Gold Family - Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire

[Lodger]

Sysnode,
Both Sancti and Kilsyth have given you excellent advice.

In the 1881 census for 8 McAlpine Street Wishaw, Ellen F. Ferguson is the head of the house, she has supplied the information that her marital status is "married" (not a widow). All of the 7 children living at that address are her sons and daughters, all with the surname Gold. She supplied this information and, if she was unable to write, as seems to be the case, perhaps a neighbour or friend, or even one of the older children, filled the census form in on her behalf.
So the 2 youngest children were given the wrong surname.
Kilsyth very kindly gave you the birth information for Margaret, this would have cost him money, he has tried his very best to help. The information tells you that she was born as Ferguson.
He also gave you the information that the George born to Helen Frame/Gold/Ferguson was illegitimate. It would make perfect sense to revert back to the name Gold for the last 2 children and it would help her respectability once she went overseas.

Now, you say you have George's date of birth from his attestation papers for WWI. The year is ok but the day and month wrong. Well, don't forget his mother would not be able to tell him the correct date and it is a very common occurance in family trees, my own included. I had a great aunt who died in 1974, she swore blind her birthday was 1st May 1888. After she died I sent to Ireland for her birth certificate, she was 2 months younger than she thought!

Cambusnethan parish was very small, about 3 families by the name of Gold are recorded in the 1881 census. Only one fits the description of yours, without a doubt.

Now you can look further back at the next generation - supplied by Kilsyth - Daniel Gold and Grace Clarkson.

It may interest you to know that in the 1881 census, 2 pages on from McAlpine St, at Graham's Land, there was a Daniel Gold aged 73 years, a widower, born Douglas parish Lanarkshire, living as a boarder with a family named McAuslin.If you agree that Daniel and Grace were the parents of James I can perhaps, give you some other information.

Regards,

Lodger

[cookies4]

Hello Lodger,

The only problem with that is - if Sysnode accepts that the George Ferguson/Frame born in 1879 is his ancestor then the Gold family are only related to his half siblings.

The Frame family are easy enough to find. John Frame was married to Isabella Paterson - the given name of Helen Frame Gold's first born daughter.

Regards,
Nel

[Lodger]

Hello Nel,

you are of course, absolutely correct.  Unless he can find the Stoddart connection his "Gold" line will end with George. There is no doubt in my mind that this is the truth of the matter. The fact that George subsequently gave his birth date as July 12th is not lost on me, or others who know that it is a very easy date to remember if you have a Scots/Irish Protestant background. If he didn't know his real date, then 12th July would do nicely.

Lodger

[sancti]

I think this is the certificate you want 628/00 0464
George Stoddart Frame or Ferguson born 20.4.1879  11.30a.m.  Stewarton Street, Wishaw
Helen Ferguson previously Gold MS Frame married to Daniel Ferguson, coalminer, who she declares is not the father of the child and further that she has had no personal communication with him since he deserted her in September 1874.

Kilsyth

The above shows clearly that George was not a 'Gold' and his father was not Daniel Ferguson and also the real father has not been recorded.

Sysnode can really only research the maternal line of Frame.

[Sysnode]

To Lodger,
After thorough research on ScotlandsPeople, and about $50.00 later I total agree with you regarding George Gold.  We will probably never know who his dad was.  I also found a match that James Gold's parents are Daniel Gold and Grace Clarkson.  Also, found that Daniel Gold was married to a Elizabeth Donaldson and they had three children (William, Margaret, Grace)

I would be interested in any further information that you would like to share.

As for George Gold; his middle name is Stoddart.  All I can do is try and search out any Stoddarts that lived in the area that may have had contact with Ellen Frame Ferguson.  Your thoughts?

Regards
Sysnode
aka - Larry

[weered]

Can I jump in here??

I am descended from (H)Ellen Frame/Gold/Ferguson and have been interested in finding out what happened to her after 1881. I think everyone now has the correct story regarding her children (!) but I'm puzzled about who went to America. I know that Isabella (her daughter) married in Larkhall in Dec 1887 so did she go out to America as well with her brothers and sisters? Is the passenger manifest of the ship online so I can check?

From my records, Helen Frame and James Gold had 7 children but it looks like 2 (George Frame Gold and Robert Frame Gold) may have died - these were the youngest. Then Margaret was the daughter of Helen and Daniel Ferguson and finally George was illegitimate. So she did have 7 children by the 1880s - did all of them go with her???

Thanks in advance!

[Sysnode]

Dear Weered
You can contact me at (*).  I have the ship manifest and can provide answers to all your questions.  I also have the burial location of Helen Frame/Ellen F Ferguson

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[weered]

If you want to send me a personal message then we cancorrespond like that?
I live in Central Scotland so can always help if you want to go back further or if you want to try and find graves etc.

Regards...

[weered]

Sysnode,

P.S....I have Daniel Gold marrying Elizabeth Donaldson (3rd wife) in 1872 - when he would have been about 64 years old, she was about 53. Are you sure you have the right children?

Weered (Nancy)