Genetic Testing Question

[judb]

Census 1891

Russell? St, St Sidwell parish, Exeter
Francis Ed TOMS 35, compositor, b Plymouth
Ursula J C TOMS   31, b Plymouth
Ursula R TOMS   10, b Plymouth
Bepie C TOMS   8, b Stepney (image looks like Bessie)
Charlotte J TOMS, 6, b Stepney
Francis J TOMS   4, b Exeter
Ada TOMS 3 months, b Exeter

In 1881 they were in Mile End (London), indexed as "Jones"

By 1901 Ursula Jane is a widow living in Exeter with Charlotte Elizabeth, Francis James, Ada, Ursula Rose COX  and Ursula Rose's husband, Francis Henry COX.  Ursula Jane is "bag maker, working at home".  Indexed by Ancestry as Marton Jane TOMS 

Her death is noted Jun qr 1891, registered Exeter. Francis Edwin TOMS death was registered in Exeter, Mar qr 1900. Both died in their 40s 

There are some very creative transcriptions for this family!

Judith

[clyoung]

Hi Andy
So sorry to confuse you but I missed out a generation
Jane Cleverdon, daughter of John and Priscilla Cleverdon never married. She had four children, Elizabeth 1827, Walter, Eliza and Thomas.
Elizabeth married James Brady.
Hope that makes more sense. I never did find the 1891 census, I will try TAMS
If you are descended from Francis Toms, brother of Charlotte Elizabeth Toms, I have a family group photograph and he may be on it. I will look it out.
Regards Brian

Thanks Brian, would be fantastic if there is a photo of him. After I replied I thought I'd found a baptism record for Elizabeth - you've confirmed that and taken me a generation further back. Much appreciated.

Claire

[clyoung]

There are some very creative transcriptions for this family!

Judith

There certainly are and yes I'm pretty sure it's Bessie.

Thanks, hadn't thought of looking under Jones.

Claire

[Aussie1947]

Hi,

Buried at Exeter Higher Cemetery at the same location.

Francis Edwin Penerick Toms, 44, Sidwell Parish
Sect C, Div 357B, No 59.
Burial, 31st March 1900, Church burial.

Ursula Jane Toms, 41, Sidwell Parish.
Sect C, Div 357B, No 59.
Burial, 5th June 1901, Church burial


Gerry

[bamc37]

Thankyou Clare, Gerry and Judith.....very helpful

I will try and upload a Toms family photo

Brian

[bamc37]

TOMS FAMILY PHOTO 1938
I have a family photo that includes
Charlotte Elizabeth Toms
Ursula Rose Toms
Bessie Toms
Edward Toms (Don't know him )(Could he be Francis?)
Eddie Toms (son of Edward)(Did Francis have a son Eddie?)
I tried to upload it but failed. If anyone wants a scan please send me your email address.
Brian

[judb]

Brian - how old do the unknown TOMs seem to be in the photo?

Francis Edwin died in 1900 and Ursula Jane in 1901.  There was no Edward listed with Ursula Jane in the 1901 census.

Francis J was born about 1887 so I suppose he could have fathered a child by 1905-ish.  Otherwise I wonder if Edward is a brother of Francis Edwin?  He would be an old man by 1938 though.

Judith

[clyoung]

Francis J was born about 1887 so I suppose he could have fathered a child by 1905-ish.  Otherwise I wonder if Edward is a brother of Francis Edwin?  He would be an old man by 1938 though.

Judith

Francis J had two children - Edwin Francis Llewelyn Toms (known as Ted in later years but I suppose he might have been Eddie when younger?) in 1914 and Bessie Priscilla Toms in 1919.

Claire

[sugarbakers]

James Brady (b.1819) moved to Plymouth and worked as a stonemason at the sugar refinery.

Brian

I'd be grateful to know the evidence for the above quote, please. Can't pick it up from 51, 71-91 censuses, so perhaps on a cert of one sort or another.

I'd like to add James to my database (see below), but only add detail that can be referenced.

James would have worked at the Mill Lane refinery run by ...

1830s BRYANT & JAMES (Mill Lane)
1838-56 BRYANT & BURNELL (Mill Lane)
1851 BENSON Gerd & John (Mill St Sugar House)
1851 BRYANT James, jun. (Mill St Sugar House)
1890 BATES, Sir Edward

... and there are further details of the refinery at  www.mawer.clara.net/loc-plym.html . Hope of interest.

Bryan