Genetic Testing Question

[sunnylew]

Thanks Caroline and Dawn,

I'll give those places a try.

I'm sure it's possible - It's just I fear that the generic tests only look at particular branches of the many possible ones - father to father and mother to mother and I need something a touch different.

Lewis

PS I didn't know about Blue's Point's origins. I used to live at the next Point - McMahons when I was a student. Many was the time we wandered up to Blue's Point Cafe in our pajamas on a Saturday morning just because we could.

[durhamboy]

Thanks for your reply Reoinna
I will probably go ahead with both male and female with 67 markers. That seems to be reasonable.

By the way, I have a John Brady who was my great, great, great grandfather. He lived in Fremington, North Devon (UK) but gave his birth as Ireland in c1760. I have no further details so if you find a spare one let me know.
Brian

Brian, I also have a great x 3 grandfather John Brady who lived in Fremington - this is probably the same person. He married a lady called Ursula and had a daughter Mary Ann Brady b. Fremington 1807 died 1855. How do you know John Brady was born in Ireland c1760?

Many thanks

[Neil Todd]

Hi Durhamboy and welcome to Rootschat.

I can't answer your first question, but the origin of the name "BRADY" is Irish and can be explained by the continued migration across the Irish sea of both Irish and Scot's.

The origins of the Surname BRADY are explained here.

http://www.houseofnames.com/brady-family-crest

Neil

[bamc37]

Hi Cousin
Many years ago, about 65yrs in fact, my grandmother, Charlotte Elizabeth Toms, told me how her grandfather came over from Ireland. His name was O’Brady but he dropped the O on arrival in England. I subsequently found that her grandfather, James Brady, was born in Fremington.  Like most family stories it is probably true but a generation or so out..I have therefore assumed that John Brady was born in Ireland. I have taken the approx birth date from his burial records.
I am descended from James Brady and Ursula Shambrook via their daughter, Ursula Jane Cleverdon Brady..
If you have evidence that John was not born in Ireland I would like to hear of it.
Regards
Brian

[durhamboy]

Hi Cousin Brian, Thanks for the reply. I too am sure that Brady is an Irish name and it could well be that John Brady did come over from Ireland to Fremington. I will take a look at the 1841 UK census. According to my research, and to be honest I'm not sure where I got it from, it was a John Brady that married an Ursula (I don't know Ursula's surname) and you seem to have a James Brady that married an Ursula Shambrook. I'm pretty sure we are talking about the same people as I don't think that there were any other Brady's in Fremington at the time. So am I right in thinking that John and James Brady are the same person or is James the son of John?

You say that you have John Brady's burial record - can you tell me exactly what that says, the date of burial and where buried? I am wondering if he was buried at St. Peter's in Fremington. I live nearby and could go and try to find his grave.

Regards, Andy

[bamc37]

Hi Andy
John Brady and Ursula Shambrook were married at Fremington in 1805.
John Brady was buried at Fremington in 1836 aged 75. His wife, Ursula (Shambrook, from Morwenstow) was also buried at Fremington in 1829 aged 51.  Their son, James Brady (b.1819)moved to Plymouth and worked as a stonemason at the sugar refinery. He married jane Cleverdon and they had a daughter Jane Elizabeth Cleverdon Brady who married Frances Edwin Pederick Toms. Their daughter Charlotte Elizabeth Toms was my grandmother. I last visited Fremington in 1979,before I moved to New Zealand. I remember many thatched cottages. but I did not visit the church. Good luck with your research. Brian

[Ruskie]

Sunnylew,

The best place for your question to be answered is here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,432.0.html
This is where the experts are.

You have just missed (finished two days ago) a sale here:
http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx
However the cost of the Family FInder test remains at the reduced rate (total cost including postage comes to $106). I just ordered one myself.
I suspect this may be the kind of test you need (autosomal), however your results will not tell you which branch of your family the results come from. If you already have done substantial amount of research on your tree, this might be the test for you to go for as you will have a fair idea of the origins of each branch of your family. I am just learning about DNA testing so would advise that you ask the opinion of those more knowledgable on the DNA forum.

There is also a lot of information on the FTDNA site which may help you make your decision. There are other companies which may be better suited to your needs. Once again, those on the DNA forum will be able to advise you.

PS. You do not need to provide a blood sample for DNA testing. Depending on what company you test with, it is either a cheek or spit sample.

[clyoung]

Hi Andy
John Brady and Ursula Shambrook were married at Fremington in 1805.
John Brady was buried at Fremington in 1836 aged 75. His wife, Ursula (Shambrook, from Morwenstow) was also buried at Fremington in 1829 aged 51.  Their son, James Brady (b.1819)moved to Plymouth and worked as a stonemason at the sugar refinery. He married jane Cleverdon and they had a daughter Jane Elizabeth Cleverdon Brady who married Frances Edwin Pederick Toms. Their daughter Charlotte Elizabeth Toms was my grandmother. I last visited Fremington in 1979,before I moved to New Zealand. I remember many thatched cottages. but I did not visit the church. Good luck with your research. Brian

I'm intrigued by this. This is very close to the version I've got but not quite.

In my version, Francis Edwin Pederick Toms was married to Ursula Jane Cleverdon Brady, born in 1860. The 1891 census has Francis Ed Tams (sic), born abt 1841, wife Ursula J C Tams (sic), born abt 1860. My relative is their son Francis James Toms.

I have found a baptism record for Ursula Jane Cleverton(sic) Brady, baptised in Charles Martyr, Plymouth, Devon on 30th January 1860. The father is noted as James Brady (Mason), mother Elizabeth and they are living in 25 John Street. Also a marriage record showing she married Francis Edwin Pederick Toms in 1879.

I do have James Brady as the son of John Brady and Ursula Shambrook, married in Fremington in 1805, same as you. But it seems so strange that the Jane Cleverdon name is in there but Ursula Jane Cleverdon Brady seems to be the daughter of Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) not Jane Cleverdon.

[bamc37]

Hi Andy
So sorry to confuse you but I missed out a generation
Jane Cleverdon, daughter of John and Priscilla Cleverdon never married. She had four children, Elizabeth 1827, Walter, Eliza and Thomas.
Elizabeth married James Brady.
Hope that makes more sense. I never did find the 1891 census, I will try TAMS
If you are descended from Francis Toms, brother of Charlotte Elizabeth Toms, I have a family group photograph and he may be on it. I will look it out.
Regards Brian