Rose Anna Burns not Rose Hannah Hulme

[newport1]

I found out that I was on the wrong track looking for my grandmother.
Someone suggested that the marriage might be between John Rigby and Rose Hannah Hulme but I found out that the marriage I was looking for was actually in Prescot in 1894 between John Rigby and Rose Anna Burns.  I  checked out with what I found in the 1911 census information about my family and I know I have now found the right person.

I can't find her record of birth on FreeBMD so can anyone suggest what to do now. As you can tell I'm new at this!

Joyce

[andycand]

Hi

Previous topic

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=526648.new;topicseen

Andy

[garstonite]

Hiya Joyce...lan-opc has the marriage and gives their age as well...but it WASN`T in Prescot...it was in Sutton, which came under Prescot register office at the time

10th nov 1894 at St Nicolas , Sutton,Lancashire
John Rigby aged 21 a warehouseman  Bachelor of 10 Prescott street , Sutton
Rose Anna Burns aged 24 a spinster of 16 Prescott street ,Sutton
grooms father James Rigby a warehouseman
brides father Owen Burns a labourer
witness  Frederick Rigby  Mary Ellen Ellison
married by M F Binney   Vicar
so that tells us that unless John Rigby was born 11th nov to 31st dec ...he was born in 1873 and looks like he had a brother Frederick...1881 census needed now....with father James and sons John and Frederick...
Rose Anna Burns ...father OWEN Burns...possibly Welsh ?
so Rose Anna Burns born 1869/70...again  - we need to find her with father Owen in 1881 census
allan

[garstonite]

Sutton is in St Helens ...google Sutton Colliery and you will see where it is on a map ....
in 1881 census
there is this...but...it says head is a widow...there is the chance Owen had left home and Ellen stated she was a widow ...
Ellen Burns aged 43  Widow  Hardware dealer b St Helens  (hardware dealer - Warehouseman as Johns job ? )
Robert aged 23 son Geni Clerk   b St Helens.....they are ALL born St Helens
Mary Ellen aged 21 ass Hardware dealer
Catherine aged 18  dom serv
ROSE ANN BURNS aged 10 scholar
Daniel aged 7
James aged 5
Winifred aged 3
so ...let me check on lan-opc for any of these childrens babtisms ...and if their parents are Owen and Ellen Burns , I would say this is the family....allan

[Manchester Rambler]

A possible in 1891 with a father Owen?

RG12/3024/43/3 - 59 Ashcroft St, Parr, St Helens, Lancs
Owen BURNS  Head  50  Gen Labourer  b. Co. Sligo, Ireland
Ellen BURNS  Wife  53  b.(?)Luaston, Kerry, Ireland
Peter BURNS  Son  27  Coal Miner  b. St Helens
Rose Anna BURNS  Dau  20  Domestic Servant  b. St Helens
William Owen BURNS  Son  17  Coal Miner  b. St Helens
Catherine BURNS  Dau  13  Scholar  b. St Helens
John J BURNS  Son  7  Scholar  b. St Helens
Robert WINSTANLEY  Visitor  7  Scholar  b. St Helens

[garstonite]

1881 census
60 Ramford street ,Parr,Lancashire (St Helens )
James Rigby head aged 39  born Sutton   Glass Polisher
Ann wife aged 39 b Sutton  Glass polisher
William 18 b Sutton   glass polisher
Thomas 16  b Sutton  glass polisher
Mary Ellen aged 13 b Sutton
Sarah Ann aged 11 b Sutton
FREDERICK aged 9 b Sutton
JOHN aged 6 b Sutton
Elizabeth aged 4 b Sutton
Esther aged 2 b Parr
James aged 1 b Parr
this looks very likely for your John Rigbys family
allan
just read your post Rambler...an excellent find ...allan

[garstonite]

Aha...thats why
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
1871 ROSEANNA Burns   ...St Helens   ....St Helens ....    SH/91/27  ......her christian names is registered as all one name
that`s probably why you couldn`t find her Joyce
allan

[Manchester Rambler]

After a bit of imaginative searching.....

1871
RG10/3866/60/34 - Parr (?)Stock, St Helens, Lancs
Owen O BURN  Head  33  Alkali Lab  b. Ireland   (Surname is hard to read and looks like BEIRNE, with the O so close it could be part of the surname.)
Ellen BURN  Wife  34  b. Ireland
Bryan BURN  Son  10  b. Parr
Peter BURN  Son  8  b. Parr
Mary E BURN  Dau  6  b. Parr
(?)Beza BURN  Dau  4  b. Parr
Johanna BURN  Dau  2  b. Parr
Rosanna BURN  Dau  5 months  b. Parr

Births Jun 1871
BURNS  Roseann
Prescott 8b 585

[Manchester Rambler]

Interesting!

1861
RG9/2753/36/65 - Fleet Lane, Parr, Lancs
Ellen O'BRIEN  Head  Unmarried  22  No occupation  b. Ireland
Bryan O'BRIEN  Son  1 month  b. Parr

Marriages Dec 1860
O'BRIEN  Ellen
O'BURN  Owen
Prescot 8b 863

So a name change from O'BURN to BURNS?

And another possiblility for Rosanna's birth, which actually matches her age in 1871 better...

Births Dec 1870   
O'BURN   Roseanna        
Prescott 8b 624

Going through the children's births, they seem to be registered as a mix of O'BRIEN, O'BYRNE, and O'BURN, just to make things complicated...