Shannon/Kane Family Mystery

[treebird]

Dear Roots Folk,
I am trying to find the puzzle pieces to get the bigger picture of my Irish/Welsh family ancestry.

My great-grandmother, Ann Shannon (married name Ann Zeitler) was born in Ireland in 1872 on July 4th - perhaps in New Ross, Wexford. She immigrated to the USA in 1875 at the age of 3 with her mother, also an Ann Shannon (her maiden name Kane) who was born around 1848 and who was married Philip Shannon. Both Anns ended up living in Brooklyn.  Ann Kane Shannon was marked down as a widow in the census. Ann Shannon married Joseph Zeitler and had several children.

I am trying to find both Ann Kane Shannon and Ann Shannon Zeitler's birth certificates, Ann Kane Shannon's marriage date/certificate to Philip Shannon, and any other revealing information.

The tricky bit:  The other mystery is that Ann Shannon Zeitler's daughter Anna (I know they weren't very creative with naming back then!!!!) wrote a letter that mentioned her Welsh grand-parents.  Since neither Kane nor Shannon is a Welsh name, my guess is that perhaps on of the maternal lines were Welsh.

Ann Kane Shannon's parents were named James and Mary Kane (perhaps Mary Kane's maiden name was Welsh)
I don't have any information on Philip Shannon's parents, but that Ann Kane Shannon and her baby Ann lived with them at one point in Wexford, Ireland just before they immigrated to the USA.
Perhaps Philip Shannon's mother was Welsh?

Does any one have any suggestions where I can begin with all this confusion.

I only have Ann Kane Shannon's death certificate and Ann Shannon Zeitler's Death Certificate, but it only gives me info I already know.

Any help is much appreciated.

all the best,
P Wyn

[proud to be welsh]

There is a possible marriage in Cardiff in 1869 between a James Kane and Mary Mahoney
GRO Cardiff 11a 426 (Q2)

I don't know if this is the time priod you are talking about.

[aghadowey]

To start with, civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864 so there won't be a birth certificate for Ann Kane.

Many Irish families moved to Wales so perhaps that's what happened here. I've even come across someone who put Ireland for birthplace in all U.S. census records except 1- luckily put "Cardiff, Ireland" which gave me a clue to search for the family in Wales!

Have you seen the marriage record on LDS site for Mary Shannon, daughter of Philip Shannon and Anne Kane, married 27 Mar.1883 Manhattan, N.Y. to William O'Neill?

[aghadowey]

There is a possible marriage in Cardiff in 1869 between a James Kane and Mary Mahoney
GRO Cardiff 11a 426 (Q2)

I don't know if this is the time priod you are talking about.

Since Ann Kane was married before 1872 is unlikely that her parents would have been married in 1869.

[treebird]

Dear Aghadowey,
Wow, that is very interesting that you found a marriage record of a Mary Shannon. 
It sounds like it could be their child.  I know that Ann Kane and Philip Shannon had the following children:
Ann Shannon - born in Ireland, July 4, 1872
Philip Shannon Junior - born in Boston - would love to get hold of his b-certificate and marriages - he was born on March 3 1877 according to a WW I draft card, but not sure the year is correct.  He died in Brooklyn in 1949

In Ann Kane Shannon's grave site, Philip her son was buried, an Irene Shannon who had died at 6 months of age in 1891 (could be her daughter or Philip her son's daughter) and a Catherine Shannon who died in 1932. So news about a Mary Shannon is intriguing. Does it say where Mary was born?

That is great that you found a census record that said Cardiff, Ireland - fascinating. Records can be confusing!

Do you have a way to look up who was Irene Shannon's parents? She was buried on June 27, 1891 in the Holy Cross Cemetery in Brooklyn at 6 months of age.
Thank you Aghadowey!

[treebird]

P.S.
pardon my ignorance...what is the LDS site?

[aghadowey]

Sorry, meant to post the link but got interrupted by a phone call. LDS site is www.familysearch.org. Mary's birthplace give as 'Ireland.' If you can find her in 1900 U.S. census (also LDS site) then it should list month and year of her birth.

LDS site not working at the moment (just keep trying) but online Massachusetts vital records index shows a Philip Michael SHANNON born 1877 Southbridge   (Southbridge is southwest of Worcester so not that close to Boston).
http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/VitalRecordsSearchContents.html

[treebird]

Thank you.  I will look for that at familysearch.
Philip J Shannon was his name so I don't think that one is it.
thank you again!

[aghadowey]

LDS working now and I found Philip Joseph SHANAHAN born 3 March 1875 Boston, Massachusetts- parents Philip SHANAHAN and Ann.
See here